Since Diaper Donnie is soon going to be rubbing his hands in glee to send Americans now into his meat grinder over wars he starts, how do you plan to avoid the draft?
I’m too old to join, thank god. Too old and too out of shape for them to bother caring. Plus a lot of psychological issues that will make me more likely shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents to help king pedo succeed in his bullshit missions.
Why would they draft me? I’ve never even been to the US!
What are you doing on our American internet???
Don’t worry, they’ll come to you
You might want to specify a country here.
We know where you are, but you’re not the centre of the universe.
I am at the center of the universe! Please help, there’s no air only this blackish looking hole. Also no good taco places. Send help!
It literally says Americans and mentions Trump by name. Was that not specific?
He did say Americans, but anyway it’s a valid question for other countries too.
In Denmark we just introduced the draft for women too. I’m not sure what my girls are going to choose when they get old enough. We do have to the option to deny it simply by claiming to be pacifist, so I’m not worried, just curious on what they’ll choose.
It is like dodging a ball right? Sounds easy.
It’s all about aerodynamics.
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a draft.
Just remember the 5 "D"s of dodgeball and you’ll be alright:
Dodge,
Duck,
Dip,
Dive, and uh…
Dodge!
Not an american, but my country has a mandatory lottery style conscription system :3… I did end up with my name in it once, but I never got past the medical evaluation :3 failed the psychological tests lol. It did end up with me getting a military mandated mental hospital visit™ tho, which is a fun story to tell
Story time?
Story time!
TW for mental health and SH I guess :3
So, this was a few years ago now, but I got conscripted for military service, and at that point you’re supposed to go to recruitment stuff, and medical evaluations and all that. At the medical check up they did a bunch of tests, eyes, feet, spine, heart, and so on, and then eventually it got to the psychological bit.
First was a go to the psychologist there, and it was all the standard stuff of fill out a questionnaire, then go in and talk to the psychologist about it, whatever. At the time I was pretty depressed, had a lot of anxiety, and also self harmed, which of course I answered without lying. They ask to see my SH scars, which I showed, and then they wrote some stuff down and sent me across the hall to talk to a psychiatrist, they again ask about the stuff I filled out, and eventually ask to see the scars, which I show, and they basically say “you don’t need to any more tests today, go to such and such mental hospital, say it’s for this military thing blah blah blah” and so on.
(I cut myself on my legs, so to this day that remains the only time a mental health professional has asked me to take off my pants)
Anywho I register to go there in a few days, and it’s much of the same process, talk to the psychologist, they ask about my life and parents and relationships (was kinda like a therapy session lol), talk to a psychiatrist, talk to the psychologist again… Eventually I get taken to another building, they tell me to wait while they fill some stuff out, then I got taken into the office to answer some questions in front of a bunch of doctors about myself and how I feel about the military service thing, and at the end they hand me a large sealed envelope to deliver to the military recruitment centre, which I do, and then im officially dismissed from the military :3… and I got paid like 20 bucks or something like that for the day I was technically in the military lol
shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents
Everybody, tell them this!
It could be a beautiful strategy to avoid the draft.
It’s funny how a small group of people can make 99% of the world do heinous things they don’t necessarily want to do but the masses rarely fight back. Tyrants will never be afraid when they know nobody will ever do anything effective against them. Noone can convince me we aren’t already in at least the first ring of hell based on how fucked up this world is.
If you haven’t read about the Milgram Experiment, it’s a fascinating, and disheartening journey into notions of authority and compliance. In short… Milgram’s finding was that most people do what they’re told–even when they known it’s wrong–simply because they’re told to do it.
I have read about it and I have issues with it, at least the original study. The participants signed up for an experiment run by a Yale professor so I’m sure a lot of them didn’t think this would cause serious damage if any damage in reality. The participants signed up knowing they would get paid.
Not that money would excuse them for “harming” people but in combination with what would appear to be a professionally run experiment by a reputable school, I don’t think people would necessarily assume this was some kind of actual murder room.
Now if the experiment was to give randomly selected participants off the street a gun and tell them to shoot a puppy for no money, I think the results would differ.
I definitely think this experiment has issues, but I think the reasons you mentioned make it more applicable to the military though not other scenarios. Bc soldiers are meant to obey orders above all else. Their commanders aren’t random people, they’re meant to be the authorities who know what’s a war crime and what’s not. Now, obviously that’s not true, or if they do know they don’t necessarily give a shit, but this all sets up a permission structure that it’s “okay” to follow orders even if it seems kinda wrong
Fragging is back on the menu, boys! /s
The phrase “Yes, officer, please put me in a building with access to weapons and military officials.” Is a very useful tool.
Uh, yeah. Let us know how it goes.
People in this comment thread seem to think it’s like one commanding officer in a room with them, so they do 1v1 combat like it’s a flipping video game.
Good point Fragging works well for multi kill achievements.
I was imagining a tent full of them while I’m outside with explosives tbh
Autist here, i refuse orders on principle, the only way people can get me to do anything is to have me decide that i agree on doing so.
My expectations if i was ever forced in a military setting would be to get punished for Insubordination at a constant rate, i assume to get beaten, locked up, be given the extra shitty food (which i just wouldn’t eat).
When it comes to being put under pressure i have a lifetime of experience. They can hurt, torture me all they want but will never rule over my independent thoughts.
I am no hero, nor a vigilante but simply holding on to what i know is right is what gives me strengt. And while i expect coming out bruised, broken and traumatised it will stil not be close to the horrors my own mind will inflict on me for going against my nature.
Wether I would actually shoot someone giving me orders, depends on the person, the context and the orders.
insubordination in time of war generally means court marshall and life in prision or execution under extreme circumstances.
Its one thing to say you will do it and another to do it and accept the unknown but likely extremely bad repercussions.
Its another thing to literally be so autistic that the extremely bad repercussions simply don’t matter.
It wouldn’t really be a choice on my part. If society finds my existence so offensive they execute me for it thats a problem for their conscious not mine, i will die some day anyway and i am content to do so for not betraying what i know is right.
Feels bad for my family though but being an example of making unethical compromises is worse.
Isn’t it the logical thing to do?
I mean, actually killing the innocent is out of the question. Shrug.
So what are my options, what can I do?
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If I sit there and do nothing, that boss shoots me, and then he simply orders the next one to kill the innocent. No good option.
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If I kill myself, the same as above.
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Only if I kill that boss, then the source of the trouble is fixed. The only option to fix it.
No, I am not in a position to try it out. Much too old and much too far away from Usa.
This was about things to say in the interview at the draft board. What do you think will happen, if you say stuff like that?
“Put me in jail for refusing to kill civilians for another country’s resources. Your regime will not last as long as my sentence.”
Bonus points if something huge happens while you’re saying that and the regime literally all dies before you finish saying that sentence.
Oooh double meaning on sentence, I like it.
It’d be like the reverse of that Futurama ‘war were declared’ scene :D
“You’re going to jail and when you’re done you’re joining the battlefield anyway… unless war were undeclared.”
(Phone rings and is picked up)
(Indistinct speech)
(Hangs up)
“What was that?”
“War were undeclared.”
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On of my ancestors cut his two fingers off to escape the Russian draft decades and decades ago. I’m not in America and I think I might be disqualified anyway if I were, but I wonder if that’s a modern strategy that could work. It does sound a bit drastic…
Just shit your pants for a week straight before going to the draft office, like Ted Nugent
My German great grandpa was a pacifist and got around being drafted into WW1 and WW2 by pretending to be an alcoholic. He apparently barely ate for a month and lived only from booze and cigarettes for a month. He went to the draft office underweight and shaking and they pretty much sent him home immediately. Unfortunately he did some actual damage to his liver with it but I guess it’s better than getting blown to bits for the Emperor or the Nazis.
God, he must have really committed to the act to do acutte liver damage in 30 days
Or it was retrospective.
“Frank what the fuck have you been doing while I was away visiting my family?”
“Um, er, ah, dodging the draft! Yeah, that’s it. Certainly not a month long bender.”
😜
I guess it’s not something he wanted to take any chances with. His father was fairly high up in the Austro-Hungarian military, so he knew what the frontline was like.
He still lived a long and decently healthy life and died in his 80s. Never drank or smoked again though.
Good for him, lucky the liver is respawnable
God that must have been bleak, watching the USSR collapse, congress burning on TV, followed by years of hunger and finding out you might get sent to die for some oligarchs in Russia in Chenchnya.
Cases of bone spurs on the rise.
But those only help if your daddy’s rich
Can they use the traditional excuse of bone spurs?
Way to accept the premise of the question. Time to watch Full Metal Jacket.
If you’re going to die anyway, you might as well all band together and storm the (what’s left of) the white house and take the fcker down with you.
The rest of the world would name national holidays after you and hail you as a hero.
Why dodge when you can frag?
I dont live in the US, but I had the same thoughts when Germany announced its plans on how to gather more meat for the military. Currently there are no crafts, but I for sure know my plan if its going to happen:
First of all, I Am trans and therefore dependant on medication (my HRT), ssecond is, that my whole body is basically fucked. I can not do a single pushup and will probably never in my life be able to do them again. As soon as I flex my left arm with just a little bit if resistance I can always feel something “snapping around” in my joint and that shit hurts quite bad if I continue to do exercises beside that. Next is, that I Am very tall and I already have back problems.
Finally, if my medical condition isnt enough, I will for sure appear to the draft stoned as hell. That motherfucker of a drug test is going to glow in the dark due to me making sure in prior, that AS many different drugs as possible will appear in it.
Edit: Ya all gave me great ideas, about telling them that I really like leftwing extremism.
They aren’t going to have a draft, they will just destroy the economy so young people have no other option but to volunteer for the military if they want to eat/feed their families.
More like,print lots of money to give to defense companies and enrich themselves so they can gaslight the rest of us by claiming the numbers are good, the economy is great
German here, so provably not applicable as it was 17 years ago (jeez) and a climate when they were just getting rid of it (only to reintroduce it again this year)
I avoided “Wehrdienst” by rolling in hungover with sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt, botching their written test and telling them how much I enjoy going to leftist demonstrations and how I can’t wait to hold a weapon in my hand.
I think they don’t enjoy the idea of arming and training leftists.
By being Canadian. Y’all can come live in my basement, my little American basement babies.
Man, you’re WAY more charitable than I!
In 2016, I offered formal asylum to a few dangerously leftist US friends of mine.
This time 'round (2024) I publicly revoked it. I’m done with the country as a whole. They need to stay there and figure their shit out.
That’s one of the greatest acts of friendship y’all keep offering us. It’s always been appreciated
Your basement doesn’t have Steve French living down there, right?
What any French Stewart?
Thanks homie. I’ll cook every night.
Reminds me of an old lyric by John Prine…“She was a level-headed woman, on the road to alcohol, and I was just a soldier, on my way to Montreal”.
