Since Diaper Donnie is soon going to be rubbing his hands in glee to send Americans now into his meat grinder over wars he starts, how do you plan to avoid the draft?
I’m too old to join, thank god. Too old and too out of shape for them to bother caring. Plus a lot of psychological issues that will make me more likely shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents to help king pedo succeed in his bullshit missions.
You might want to specify a country here.
We know where you are, but you’re not the centre of the universe.
He did say Americans, but anyway it’s a valid question for other countries too.
In Denmark we just introduced the draft for women too. I’m not sure what my girls are going to choose when they get old enough. We do have to the option to deny it simply by claiming to be pacifist, so I’m not worried, just curious on what they’ll choose.
I am at the center of the universe! Please help, there’s no air only this blackish looking hole. Also no good taco places. Send help!
It literally says Americans and mentions Trump by name. Was that not specific?
Can they use the traditional excuse of bone spurs?
It is like dodging a ball right? Sounds easy.
It’s all about aerodynamics.
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a draft.
Just remember the 5 "D"s of dodgeball and you’ll be alright:
Dodge,
Duck,
Dip,
Dive, and uh…
Dodge!
Not an american, but my country has a mandatory lottery style conscription system :3… I did end up with my name in it once, but I never got past the medical evaluation :3 failed the psychological tests lol. It did end up with me getting a military mandated mental hospital visit™ tho, which is a fun story to tell
Story time?
Story time!
TW for mental health and SH I guess :3
So, this was a few years ago now, but I got conscripted for military service, and at that point you’re supposed to go to recruitment stuff, and medical evaluations and all that. At the medical check up they did a bunch of tests, eyes, feet, spine, heart, and so on, and then eventually it got to the psychological bit.
First was a go to the psychologist there, and it was all the standard stuff of fill out a questionnaire, then go in and talk to the psychologist about it, whatever. At the time I was pretty depressed, had a lot of anxiety, and also self harmed, which of course I answered without lying. They ask to see my SH scars, which I showed, and then they wrote some stuff down and sent me across the hall to talk to a psychiatrist, they again ask about the stuff I filled out, and eventually ask to see the scars, which I show, and they basically say “you don’t need to any more tests today, go to such and such mental hospital, say it’s for this military thing blah blah blah” and so on.
(I cut myself on my legs, so to this day that remains the only time a mental health professional has asked me to take off my pants)
Anywho I register to go there in a few days, and it’s much of the same process, talk to the psychologist, they ask about my life and parents and relationships (was kinda like a therapy session lol), talk to a psychiatrist, talk to the psychologist again… Eventually I get taken to another building, they tell me to wait while they fill some stuff out, then I got taken into the office to answer some questions in front of a bunch of doctors about myself and how I feel about the military service thing, and at the end they hand me a large sealed envelope to deliver to the military recruitment centre, which I do, and then im officially dismissed from the military :3… and I got paid like 20 bucks or something like that for the day I was technically in the military lol
shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents
Everybody, tell them this!
It could be a beautiful strategy to avoid the draft.
It’s funny how a small group of people can make 99% of the world do heinous things they don’t necessarily want to do but the masses rarely fight back. Tyrants will never be afraid when they know nobody will ever do anything effective against them. Noone can convince me we aren’t already in at least the first ring of hell based on how fucked up this world is.
If you haven’t read about the Milgram Experiment, it’s a fascinating, and disheartening journey into notions of authority and compliance. In short… Milgram’s finding was that most people do what they’re told–even when they known it’s wrong–simply because they’re told to do it.
I have read about it and I have issues with it, at least the original study. The participants signed up for an experiment run by a Yale professor so I’m sure a lot of them didn’t think this would cause serious damage if any damage in reality. The participants signed up knowing they would get paid.
Not that money would excuse them for “harming” people but in combination with what would appear to be a professionally run experiment by a reputable school, I don’t think people would necessarily assume this was some kind of actual murder room.
Now if the experiment was to give randomly selected participants off the street a gun and tell them to shoot a puppy for no money, I think the results would differ.
I definitely think this experiment has issues, but I think the reasons you mentioned make it more applicable to the military though not other scenarios. Bc soldiers are meant to obey orders above all else. Their commanders aren’t random people, they’re meant to be the authorities who know what’s a war crime and what’s not. Now, obviously that’s not true, or if they do know they don’t necessarily give a shit, but this all sets up a permission structure that it’s “okay” to follow orders even if it seems kinda wrong
The phrase “Yes, officer, please put me in a building with access to weapons and military officials.” Is a very useful tool.
Fragging is back on the menu, boys! /s
Uh, yeah. Let us know how it goes.
Isn’t it the logical thing to do?
I mean, actually killing the innocent is out of the question. Shrug.
So what are my options, what can I do?
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If I sit there and do nothing, that boss shoots me, and then he simply orders the next one to kill the innocent. No good option.
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If I kill myself, the same as above.
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Only if I kill that boss, then the source of the trouble is fixed. The only option to fix it.
No, I am not in a position to try it out. Much too old and much too far away from Usa.
This was about things to say in the interview at the draft board. What do you think will happen, if you say stuff like that?
“Put me in jail for refusing to kill civilians for another country’s resources. Your regime will not last as long as my sentence.”
Bonus points if something huge happens while you’re saying that and the regime literally all dies before you finish saying that sentence.
Oooh double meaning on sentence, I like it.
It’d be like the reverse of that Futurama ‘war were declared’ scene :D
“You’re going to jail and when you’re done you’re joining the battlefield anyway… unless war were undeclared.”
(Phone rings and is picked up)
(Indistinct speech)
(Hangs up)
“What was that?”
“War were undeclared.”
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People in this comment thread seem to think it’s like one commanding officer in a room with them, so they do 1v1 combat like it’s a flipping video game.
I was imagining a tent full of them while I’m outside with explosives tbh
Good point Fragging works well for multi kill achievements.
Autist here, i refuse orders on principle, the only way people can get me to do anything is to have me decide that i agree on doing so.
My expectations if i was ever forced in a military setting would be to get punished for Insubordination at a constant rate, i assume to get beaten, locked up, be given the extra shitty food (which i just wouldn’t eat).
When it comes to being put under pressure i have a lifetime of experience. They can hurt, torture me all they want but will never rule over my independent thoughts.
I am no hero, nor a vigilante but simply holding on to what i know is right is what gives me strengt. And while i expect coming out bruised, broken and traumatised it will stil not be close to the horrors my own mind will inflict on me for going against my nature.
Wether I would actually shoot someone giving me orders, depends on the person, the context and the orders.
insubordination in time of war generally means court marshall and life in prision or execution under extreme circumstances.
Its one thing to say you will do it and another to do it and accept the unknown but likely extremely bad repercussions.
Its another thing to literally be so autistic that the extremely bad repercussions simply don’t matter.
It wouldn’t really be a choice on my part. If society finds my existence so offensive they execute me for it thats a problem for their conscious not mine, i will die some day anyway and i am content to do so for not betraying what i know is right.
Feels bad for my family though but being an example of making unethical compromises is worse.
On of my ancestors cut his two fingers off to escape the Russian draft decades and decades ago. I’m not in America and I think I might be disqualified anyway if I were, but I wonder if that’s a modern strategy that could work. It does sound a bit drastic…
God that must have been bleak, watching the USSR collapse, congress burning on TV, followed by years of hunger and finding out you might get sent to die for some oligarchs in Russia in Chenchnya.
My German great grandpa was a pacifist and got around being drafted into WW1 and WW2 by pretending to be an alcoholic. He apparently barely ate for a month and lived only from booze and cigarettes for a month. He went to the draft office underweight and shaking and they pretty much sent him home immediately. Unfortunately he did some actual damage to his liver with it but I guess it’s better than getting blown to bits for the Emperor or the Nazis.
God, he must have really committed to the act to do acutte liver damage in 30 days
I guess it’s not something he wanted to take any chances with. His father was fairly high up in the Austro-Hungarian military, so he knew what the frontline was like.
He still lived a long and decently healthy life and died in his 80s. Never drank or smoked again though.
Good for him, lucky the liver is respawnable
Or it was retrospective.
“Frank what the fuck have you been doing while I was away visiting my family?”
“Um, er, ah, dodging the draft! Yeah, that’s it. Certainly not a month long bender.”
😜
Just shit your pants for a week straight before going to the draft office, like Ted Nugent
Cases of bone spurs on the rise.
But those only help if your daddy’s rich
There’s a lot of assumptions going on here. First of all, historically 26 wasn’t the maximum for the draft but 40, but secondly there’s really no rules for a draft. A draft is already so much of an encroachment on one’s human rights and legal rights that all bets are off should one be declared. Sure there’ll be court orders and legal battles over it but we’ve seen how that goes already with the current administration, they’ll simply delay and ignore while shuffling as many humans out of reach as possible until they can’t anymore.
Best thing any of us can do is simply hope for the best. My personal hopes are, in order of declining positivity:
- There is no draft
- I’m either too old or too autistic to be drafted
- I can go back to college to be ineligible to be drafted
- I can find myself a non-combat role given my technical expertise
- Whatever happens happens and I’ll figure out how to survive and thrive like I have every other challenge that’s come my way in life
There’s really no other planning for such an eventuality. There’s too many unknowns you can plan for, and while I’m seeing plenty of folks talking about fragging, taking drugs or establishing a false history of drug abuse, transitioning, etc. the fact is there’s no telling what will happen nor what the legal landscape will look like
Brb, getting an autism diagnosis from my doctor
Geniuenly curious if you could just say “I am Muslim Alhamdulillah” and they refuse to draft you for this one.
Straight to a concentration camp probably.
Don’t count on getting to choose where they deport you.
That’s a stupid question.
All questions are stupid until they’re not.
Definitely better to ask stupid questions than none at all.
Why?
Congress would need to pass legislation to enact a draft.
I’m not sure if they do. Considering the way the Trump Administration operates it’s very possible they would just declare one and start drafting people. Any lawsuit would take years to happen cuz the Supreme Court would push it back.
Although even if they did have to I’m not sure if that would be an impediment. Every single Republican will vote for whatever he tells them to. So it could pass in the house. As for the Senate if Trump gets rid of the filibuster as he seems primed to do right this moment then it would be easy.
You’re an idiot. Blocked.
I’m pretty sure it is not illegal to say how you just like seeing dead bodies, even if it’s your own commander.
You’re not threatening anybody. You’re just sharing preferences.
Probably a good idea to start teaching the young guns about grenading.
Fragging. It often isn’t done with literal grenades.
Lot cooler when it is though.
By being Canadian. Y’all can come live in my basement, my little American basement babies.
Your basement doesn’t have Steve French living down there, right?
What any French Stewart?
Thanks homie. I’ll cook every night.
That’s one of the greatest acts of friendship y’all keep offering us. It’s always been appreciated
Man, you’re WAY more charitable than I!
In 2016, I offered formal asylum to a few dangerously leftist US friends of mine.
This time 'round (2024) I publicly revoked it. I’m done with the country as a whole. They need to stay there and figure their shit out.
Reminds me of an old lyric by John Prine…“She was a level-headed woman, on the road to alcohol, and I was just a soldier, on my way to Montreal”.
Not of age, I got through the “draft period” during GWB. The US probably won’t have a draft, mainly because we have a sizeable “volunteer” military.
However, if I was drafted, I would talk to my recruiter about how I’ve read books about fragging, and how all I can think about is how powerful that is, for one man with one weapon on the inside to destroy or disrupt the chain of command. Then do your best Private Pyle “Seven Six Two millimeter. Full Metal jacket!” imitation. The military doesn’t care about sending untrained and unqualified conscripts into an active war, but I doubt they will take someone who seems to have uncontrollable fantasies about shooting their own officer.
Didn’t vietnam have an extremely high rate of officer friendly fire casualties? I thought this was actually a major component of ending the draft.
Back when I was young I was just glad I was hard of hearing.
