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Was founded on theft,
Genocide and slavery,
Elected rapist
Oh, very good haiku Kyle!
They messed up the order and got the last one wrong …
Change it just enough to say “that wasn’t our inspiration” but keep it similar enough that anyone clued into the dogwhistle recognises it.
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German here…i…i am not suprised but yet terrified
Also like, we famously have very many heritages.
Our whole heritage is being a melting pot of every heritage mixed together. Blood nationalism makes ZERO sense whatsoever.
Actually your heritage is that of native American genocide, centuries of African slavery, and then countless illegal wars of aggression.
Thats the heritage of most countries with European settler/colonial histories.
And? You want to widen the discussion or try and derail it?
You “well ackshually!” the same America Evil lines and then accuse the other commenter of derailing the conversation? Thats funny.
Sorry about your shitty country, I guess?
Me too comrade, me too.
.ml account
Opinion discarded!
That’s not an opinion, lmao.
-claims to know the heritage of a random internet user
-gets called out in an equally snarky way
“acksyually it’s not an opinion lol”
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Are you actually claiming that the ‘heritage’ of the country that engaged in slavery and multiple genocides, and still engage in such today is not any of those things?
context pls
He hates accurate historical analysis. It hurts his perception of the piece of land he was born on.
Notice how he even got down voted on his own “safe” instance.
.ml users have a pretty poor reputation in the fediverse as braindead ideologues who swarm and spam posts that don’t jive with their beleifs. It’s like having a neighbor constantly chucking dogshit over the fence and blaming you for the smell XD
Kind of silly to call people that keep being proven correct, and whose ideology(ies) are related to the world getting things like 8-hour working day, women getting basic rights, and decolonisation as ‘braindead’.
XD
So random
There’s a pretty good chance that user will, in the same breath, go: Jefferson bad, Stalin good. Because authoritarians and genocides perpetrated by entities pretending to be communist are somehow excusable.
Stalin saved Europe from the Nazis. Is that not good to you?
Lol, called it.
You guys really love to ignore his genocide of his own countrymen.
This guy must have something wrong with them.
This comment is literally whataboutism, they clearly don’t understand what a straw an argument is, and the childish demands are us simply asking for him to explain himself.
What a joke, lol.
Genocidal slavers like Jefferson are, indeed, bad.
Not sure why a person took part in massively improving the rights and living conditions of the working class and fighting against the original nazis should be considered bad in comparison with enthusiastic slavers.Just admit it - you only said that because you have been bombarded your whole life with propaganda about how the most vile polity in the world is somehow good, while Stalin is somehow bad for some reason.
Two things can both be bad. This is what you mls never seem to grasp.
And It’s not for some reason. He killed so many people. No one can take you seriously when you praise a monster like Stalin.
Basing the value of a response on the user’s Lemmy instance has to be amongst the stupidest forms of tribalism in human history.
Given Godric’s blatantly stupid tribalism, I think you’re seeing a pattern that’s real
Noting that valueless responses constantly emerge from a certain lemmy instance is simply pattern recognition!
Don’t worry, lib. I’m one of the good ones ;)
Funny thing, my old nan said nearly the same thing about black people.
.ml are literally like black people guys
A .world user WOULD say that!
/jk
Melting pot? I wouldn’t call it that. More like a 70s jell-o salad: all the ingredients are visible, but separate. There’s alarmingly little miscegenation in the US. Go anywhere in Latin America and you can see true melting pots.
How many of them were granted human rights for the majority of the country’s history, lol?
Very few, that doesn’t take away from the fact that we’re still a nation of immigrants and should reject the lie of a unified American heritage.
Genocidal settler-colonialism is not “immigration”, and neither is being enslaved and transported over the Atlantic ocean.
There are plenty of folks who came over after the bulk of the genocide was largely done. Don’t think an Italian coming over in the 1910s had fuck all to do with the Native American genocide.
But even ignoring that you are assuming that this is all a black and white situation when people are rarely that. For example the early Scots-Irish population in Appalachia generally got along well enough with native Americans often times even mixing together, you could also have the later Irish immigrants from the Irish genocide by the English inflicting the same fate apon Native Americans in the great planes.
Hell my own ancestors did seemingly contradictory shit as being slavers while murdering people for being bigots against Native Americans. Only for a generation later to be fighting for the abolishment of slavery and arming natives while really fucking hating newer Anglo settlers to the point of commiting hate crimes.
The unified American heritage is white land owners get rights and everybody else has to fight to get any.
But also share one.
They try, they die.
German here…i…i am not suprised but yet terrified
I remember who I am. Not a fucking Nazi
yeah, lot of Germans said that as well and yet…
“Quit calling us Nazis!”
The next slogan dropping from the Department of Labor:
work makes you freeNaw, that sounds too communist.
It does but arbeit macht frei was a nazi slogan and tbh it goes well for the bootstraps folks: “you just need to work harder for a better life” essentially.
Annoyingly, Nazis stole each one of their slogans. “Arbeit macht frei” is from the 1873 novel by Lorenz Diefenbach, in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour, alluding to John 8:31–32.
Yeah they don’t exactly have a lot of creativity of their own. But much like the swastika and certain tunes, it’s now associated with nazis rather than its original source
“Freedom takes work”
I’m honestly surprised it hasn’t.
“We’ve always been at war with Canada”
Oh, shit! Are they renaming the DoD “The Department of Peace” now?
Nah, that’s too sissy and woke for Real Men™.
There is no war in
Ba Sing Sethe Strait of Hormiz
In corporate HR culture jargon, teamwork brings opportunities.
Very fitting when half the country is already like a forced labor camp
It’s way more than half. Between just Amazon and Walmart they employ 3.5 million.
And there are plenty of other shitty jobs besides those two.
Remember who you are…
A nation of immigrants!
“No! Not like that!”
This is de facto true, but de jure it was a nation of settlers and slavers
Ein Reich. Ein Volk. Ein Führer.
I’m conflicted upvoting this…
Ein bunker. Ein bullet.
Ich bin ein Berliner
I am a donut? Eddie izzard deep cut.
Is the Dressed to Kill set really a deep cut?
My guy, anything from the 90s is a deep cut at this point.
From your lips to god’s ears.
Aber sehr viel Cyanide, für die Kinder. Aus „Liebe“
Americans love to remember the time Germany killed millions of it’s own people, back in the 1930s, before their country was covered in US bases.
They really don’t like bringing up how Germany supported South African Apartheid or the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Nevermind the German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles.
The idea that Germany just “got better” after the War is the biggest lie in modern history. They became a beach head for a whole new generation of fascists.
What is your point?
To be American is to hate authority to the extent that we have amendments to the Constitution that guarantee us the right to own and use arms against our own government in case it becomes corrupt and works against the American people.
We don’t have any heritage, or any one culture.
You can come from anywhere and be an American as long as you hate authority and recognize that you have the right to violently oppose it
You can come from anywhere and be an American
Not according to the American president, half or more of the American government, and about half of the American population.
Hell yeah, except the fucking ignorant bastards are ruining this concept for the rest of us
This is just historical revisionism, the USA was founded on the idea of unlimited authority of rich white men over all other people. The 1st amendment was designed to protect the newly founded regime from competition by the british monarchy, not to protect the people from the regime.
USA as a nation needs to go through the same reckoning with its past as germans. Currently it is culturally glorifying literal genocidal monsters and romanticizing its awful past, which leads to present perpetration of terrible crimes against humanity (see: Gaza, Iran, ICE).
Idk why you’re being downvoted. The wealthy sold a lie to the masses that they too can come here and be free, with indentured servitude. So the wealthy could have their little feifdoms.
My ancestor: starved peasant with no rights, running from omnicidal invaders
Me: comfy knowledge professional
Yeah no, that’s dumb, the promise of a better life for one’s descendants was objectively fulfilled.
This is another foundational myth of the USA. Most of the people who moved from Europe to the USA were relatively privileged, particularly early on. Most of the people on the Mayflower were what we would now call middle class. Educated professionals and skilled tradesmen from England. The Puritans who didn’t have money just couldn’t afford to get out of England.
There weren’t large amounts of poor immigrants until the 19th century, and the USA was deeply discriminatory against them when they came.
Also, I think many black folks and indigenous people did not experience “an objectively better life for their descendants.”
As nice at it has been for the OG WASPs, still, coming to America as a poor peasant worked out way better than living in a village that was razed to the ground. Immigrating to America to have a better life for you and your family isn’t a myth, it’s the lived experience for hundreds of millions of people. You don’t have to make millions to have a decent life.
village that was razed to the ground
By the US military or CIA funded death squads in the vast majority of cases.
>Immigrating to America to have a better life for you and your family isn’t a myth, it’s the lived experience for hundreds of millions of people
So is being deported for being brown, experiencing daily racism, and being frozen out of better paying jobs and positions.
Is ‘immigrants are successful in America’ really the story that is reflected in the lived experience of immigrants right now in America? Is it the most important story to tell during this political moment? Because where I live immigrants have had to stop attending school and work out of fear of being snatched up off the street.
Convenient to ignore the fact that many descendants of those who stayed behind in Europe are currently also living a much better life than their ancestors, potentially even better than yours due to a robust social safety net, better public transportation and urbanism, free or very cheap higher education, and universal healthcare.
Human development, industrialization and imperial plunder improves quality of life in the empire, more news at 11.
The family branches that stayed were slaughtered by Soviets and Nazis, so they aren’t around to compare. But, you tell me the trains are nice, so it washes out?
Please, more “news” at 11!
What parts of your family were “slaughtered” by the USSR? Way too often when people complain about socialist polities taking action against their families, it turns out that those families were plantation owners and the like, so claims like these shouldn’t be taken at face value.
Also, it’s weird how you don’t mind the US being founded on literal genocide and slavery. You do realise that it involved actually slaughtering families as part of campaigns that German and Zionist nazis explicitly took inspiration from, right?
So, what you’re ultimately saying is that the only benefit of the USA is being geographically far away from germany and thus its population not having to fight the nazis? That checks out. Good luck with not being killed and/or drowned in medical debt after a car accident
No, what I’m saying is paying for insurance sure beats mass graves, gulags, gas chambers. You are dumber than rocks if you think Europe has been all sunshine and smiles.
Give literacy a chance, my ancestors managed after moving to America, I’m sure you can, too!
And yet the people who stayed in Europe are doing far and away better than the people who left to come to the US to participate in the fascist genocide of indigenous people living here and the fascist enslavement of indigenous people they paid kidnappers for
Single payer healthcare is a great comfort to the branches of my family who stayed, slaughtered by Russian and German guns. Europe is a continent just as soaked in blood and genocide as any other.
You’re so right! All the poor people who stayed behind were slaughtered in Europe but the poor people who left got to live good lives in the USA!
You’re ridiculous
You’re so right! All the poor people who stayed behind were slaughtered in Europe but the poor people who left got to live good lives in the USA!
That is the story of my family. You’re deliberately the dullest knife in today’s drawer.
I’m not from the US but my understanding is that the way US history is taught in schools and sometimes even colleges is heavily whitewashed and romanticized. Pupils are also repeatedly taught “allegiance … to the republic, one nation under god” (how dystopian). It is very difficult to accept that your entire understanding (and thus love) of the country you live in is at best heavily doctored and at worst just a total sham perpetrated by the elites.
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!
They just quote the nazis at this point.
One of ours, all of yours.
We’ll have our home again.
Germans aren’t authorities on fascism because their grandfathers were mass killers who mostly got away with it.
And yet, when a country starts speaking like 1938 Germany, it’s a big fucking sign.
And their current government supplies roughly 30% of the weapons currently being used by Israel to do a genocide.
