The Quest is actually quite dope. Rooted and used local.
At least VR is great for porn
I tried it once, in the early times. They hadn’t figured out the scaling at all. Lady was supposed to come sit in your face.
She didn’t get closer, she got bigger. Much bigger.
Would be phenomenal for the giantess crowd. Scared me off for life.
Why is that point of view so rare in porn. It should be among most popular.
Because they’re too busy making everything stepsomething
i don’t need to read the title or even listen to the lines
Oh no stepgiant im stuck
in your face
she got bigger
screaming intensifies
That sounds just horrible. Where is that, so I can avoid it at all costs?
It’s gotten better since then. Close ups still are a bit awkward but the scaling is much better.
Also add 3D TVs to recent technology that didn’t go anywhere.
It honestly is more accurate than VR. Although I’m not that interested in VR, reading this thread makes me think that it’s slowly getting there; people seem to like valve’s stuff.
And curved TVs, thankfully.
Those were so ridiculous. I can understand a curved monitor because one person can sit in the sweet spot but for a TV what is the point.
At the height of the curved TV fad I had salespeople trying to insist to me that this somehow improved the available viewing angles throughout the room. Oh yeah? Then how come they’re not convex, then?
recent
Should I tell them, or…?
2012 was like 3 years ago right?
oh I completely forgot about those, lol
Asked like this, I might actually prefer being left behind, thank you.
To be fair, nfts and vr were never forced on consumers quite like AI is. VR is incredible for certain types of gaming. NFTs are also incredible too. They allow you to quickly identify morons with disposable income.
VR is also great for movies!
That VR Rogue Squadron game was some peak shit ngl
NFTs are also incredible too.
You had me in the first half, ngl
I upvoted the comment while reading it, then removed the upvote, then put it back.
Correct, the only idiotic thing about VR is buying your hardware from Mark Zuckerberg. As the folks in the VR community here are already aware, I got my Steam Frame the other day and basically the only reason I’ve had to take it off my face since then is because the thing has a finite battery life.
I found a Meta Quest 2 at a thrift store for 20 bucks. It needed a new face cushion so I ordered one online and a Meta Quest 3S showed up instead.
So, like, hopefully one day they’ll be CFW for it.
They shipped a whole ass headset when you ordered a face cushion? Damn dude, nice
All the joy of Steam, pumped directly into my eyeballs? Yes, please.
And all the joy of also being a small Linux computer, still with the eyeballs thing. Hit “desktop” in the hotbar on the bottom and you’re looking at a KDE environment.
Most programs can also be opened into a separate full-screen styled floating window you can stick wherever in virtual space, independent of the base desktop.
It’s funny how people were comparing the Frame to Quest, saying it’s DOA because of the price, niche device only for a few enthusiasts.
Meanwhile, the Frame is flying off the shelves and the waitlist seems to be twice as long as the number of the units available. :(
It also has the valve factor. In a landscape that consumer electronics are anti consumer, it’s more alluring to buy something you might not need if it’s not enshitified.
For example, I don’t really need a steam controller but boy do I want one.
It’s a good product that doesn’t request you to sell your soul to use it. It’s definitely expensive but for people who have that money and are into VR it’s the best thing ever.
I wish it was flying. I managed to get on the reservation list (not waitlist) and two weeks later I am still waiting for my turn to even order one. Valve seems completely overwhelmed with the demand. Good for them I guess but come on, I haaaate waiting.
Man, don’t even get me started. I’m on the waitlist, so I don’t expect to get my hands on it within a year…
It turns out there really is a market for a standalone capable wireless headset provided that it actually respects your privacy.
Can you explain why you love it so much? I was going to give it away to my friend that did not win the lottery after only a day.
Battery life is terrible. Interface outside of games is super unintuitive imnho. I still can’t figure out how to actually move the central window or right clock in desktop mode. I also can’t figure out how to install apks. I want to install android plex. And the game I had super high expectations for, the 11 table tennis is meh.
Overall my experience has been very sweaty and frustrating. I’m genuinely curious if it really sucks or I’m just not the target audience. I really wanted to love it, but I find it not worth the money at all. Like $500 maybe would’ve been ok. To be clear, I’m very technical - both professionally and as a hobby.
You can move the main center window and the dashboard bar by grabbing the long skinny horizontal stripe beneath either them, same as moving any other floating window. Unless you hit “float in world” on the center window the dashboard/taskbar/clock will remain pinned to the bottom of it.
The inverse L shaped grab handle on the lower right of any window allows you to resize it. When you are holding it, pushing the analog stick forward or back will move it closer to you or farther away.
Word on the street is that you can use FrameDrop to put .apks (and other executables) into your Frame’s library. I haven’t had occasion to try it; my main interest in onboard software has been regular productivity-ish apps that run natively in Linux. I stream actual games from my desktop PC, which is approximately three million times more powerful than the Frame itself.
Swappable battery back?
Think Valve said something about that in the future. Also you can use a power bank while using was also mentioned. If I’ll get the money I’m definitely buying steam frame rather than to buy spy hardware.
Most of us can’t drop 1k+ on a headset. My oculus which I got for 300 is still going strong after 2 years. And no, you don’t need a FB account.
you do need a meta account, at least when I setup mine.
You don’t really want any more battery than absolutely necessary strapped to your face. Put a power bank in your pocket for longer sessions.
Given that the battery in the Frame is not readily swappable, that’s your only choice. I’m already on it, of course.
VR and AR both have massive unrealised potential. It just seems the tech isn’t quite there to break through just yet, especially for AR.
Hard disagree on VR.
As far as I can tell, VR is 100% fully realized. In the future, you will be able to do everything you can do in VR right now and nothing more than that, but it will be a better experience, smoother, higher res, faster frame rates.
I think that it if there were a really compelling use case, people would put up with the current technical limitations to go do it.
I think we’ll slowly see adoption rise as software support & comfort improve, but this is basically the VR landscape: sims, games, porn, and some creative stuff.
I think the only really ground breaking thing would be if res became affordable enough to replace a 70" TV at a reasonable price, that plus how much 3D kicks ass in VR would definitely move some units.
I get nauseated very fast with a vr headset and I don’t think it will improve, there have been several generations of improvements where people have told me they are so good now, and every time I feel like crap within a minute or two.
I think that is another major problem with vr, it’s unusable by some percentage of people that I think is significant enough to affect the market (or lack thereof).
Yup, that’s definitely a real problem for broad adoption. Technically solvable, I think, if lag and frame rates improve enough, but I don’t know if it’s feasible, and there’s likely a bell curve where the cost to accomodate sensitive people isn’t worth it.
It’s also possible you could train yourself to get used to it, though it might take you more time than most, but what would be a stong enough motivation to get through that? And you’d need to basically buy a VR head set and wear it a few more seconds every day until you could get some use out of it. Pretty insane ask.
It’s like chatbots, I don’t have a use case for a computer kissing my ass. People tell me “oh set it up on your home computer and VPN in and then you can confidentially tell your sycophantic chatbot to cancel the meeting”.
I would rather just cancel the meeting?
The chatbot is just as likely to tell you it canceled the meeting without cancelling the meeting.
There was a recent talk by the guy that started Zoom and he was pushing an AI technology that would attend meetings for you. It was so ridiculous because the ultimate dream would be a bunch of AI chatbots attending a meeting on behalf of their operators, and what would the point of that even be?
I think it was Angela Collier on YouTube if you want to share some rage.
My current employer is pushing AI HARD. Like “throw out old processes, 10x everything, the singularity is here so we can’t work the way we always have”.
The thing is, the best use case for AI I have found is replacing middle management. The bots are pretty good at summarizing a bunch of PRs and doc updates into weekly bullet point progress updates (which is 90% of how those managers are judged). I’ve flirted with the idea of making an AI team manager to replace the helicopter EMs and PMs and let the devs focus on the dev’ing.
That idea got shut down quite quickly… wonder why.
+1
Severe motion sickness issues, even in traditional games, are more common than people think.
Yeah I don’t enjoy watching other people play FPS games either.
You’re absolutely right that is a major problem. The biggest reason is the mismatch between what your inner ear says (we are not moving) and what your eyes tell you (we are moving). I get nauseous really easily in VR.
That said I just bought a steam frame and have had pretty good luck because of how I’m using it. It’s completely wireless and I have a large space I can use it in. So I’ve been playing things that don’t require fast movement and where you have a space to explore / move around in. This allows me to physically walk around the real room while exploring in VR. It’s made a huge difference but not everyone has the luxury of a big empty room they can use for that. I just mention this in case anyone else was like me and wants to do VR but gets nauseous easily.
I’ve found an acid test for susceptibility to VR sickness. Driving in VR.
Most brains know what it feels like to be in a car, in control or otherwise. Feed in only the visuals of “being in a car” and watch the face turn green in tandem with the brain’s ancient “we’ve eaten poison!” subroutine kicking in.
In Elite: Dangerous, I can pirouette a Vulture round an asteroid field -permaboosting with flight assist off- shooting other ships all day long. Drop an SRV onto a moon and drive 100 metres, pass me the sick bucket.
I put this down to having plenty sensory memory of “car” but none of “high velocity space fighter”.
VR is cheap enough to replace a TV, just not good enough yet.
If you’re looking at new, a Quest 3S is the cheapest at $350, the equivalent of a Samsung UHD 55 inch TV. Not really cheap enough. But probably a VR headset is never going to be able to compete head-to-head with a TV because it has to have a higher resolution than the TV in a smaller space, so it’s always going to be more expensive. My hope is that it just gets good enough, maybe 1080p PPD equivalence while TV manufacturers keep chasing resolutions that don’t make a difference.
was more thinking of quest 2 when quest 3s came out and psvr2 pricing ($300), which isn’t that much above the cheapest non roku garbage
Really the best thing about AI is that it made everybody stop trying to make vr a thing as much, because you’re right, the use cases are already spelled out and it’s pretty much a dud (in terms of being shoehorned into everything).
You have to admit, though, the Metaverse was one solid comedy highlights reel from beginning to end.
AR has so many unsolvable privacy issues it’s wild …
Honestly I don’t need a camera or anything integrated but I’d love to have an integrated screen for my glasses. Would be nice when putting things together to just sync it with my phone and just have it there, also maps. Look I have to wear glasses all the time might as well add a tiny bit more utility.
These exist
But are they intigratable in pre existing glasses? My prescription is non negotiable due to how bad my eyesight is without and I can’t do contacts. Also having them sync with my phone and having them do little to no processing would be my preferred method, rather than having them contain all the computational shit themselves.
No, they use a second set of prescription lenses for corrective lenses. They plug directly into your device via USB-C.
GPS with accelerometers should be able to work out where you’re standing and where you’re facing, so you could have navigation with a floating marker over the turn you need to take instead of just having a mini-map, too.
Maybe but I’d personally prefer the mini-map, I’ve a built up hatred of floating way points.
That’s not AR though is it?
Kinda depends on the definition on that one, personally I would consider a IRL HUD to be a low level version of that since it would be intigraing those systems in a pretty intimate way.
We’ve mostly been looking in to how it can be utilized in a production environment with detailed machine stats at a glance, live setpoints without having to be near the control panel, aids for maintenance…that sort of things
The meta display glasses would be cool if not for the whole meta part. You don’t even need to be able to access the camera. It should just be used for tracking.
That’s not really AR then is it, AR requires the overlay on reality, I guess it could be like a game OSD but a lot of that detail is probably more annoying than anything. A live map might be good sometimes, but do I need my heart rate showing all the time in regular day to day life? is it helpful to have a shopping list taking up space in my vision all the time? How do I interact with it if it can’t see my hands, do I then have to talk to it constantly to manipulate it? Can other people manipulate my OSD while I’m using it by saying the right thing? Seems pretty gimmicky …
No, not what I meant. I meant environment tracking, hand tracking, everything.
WE don’t need access to the camera for AR to work, the device just needs to be able to process the video stream.
The problem isnt your privacy, it’s everyone else’s. If there are glasses with cameras then some arsehole is running around photographing people without their permission. You might argue that if you’re out in public then you can be photographed but that’s a shit attitude, if someone is walking around photographing people they should at least have to make it obvious so people can have a say at the time or at least know about it before it turns out they are now an AI deepfake pornstar.
Yeah, that’s why you block user access to the camera.
at least in the US you don’t need permission to record people in public spaces.
Unfortunately there isn’t a lot of money in that market anymore, since it’s not AI.
I’m in my 40s and I just want to let you know that people have been saying this since I was 16.
Which is one of many reasons I’m not running out to buy a VR/AR rig.
Came here to say this: I get ton of enjoyment out of racing in VR. The rests is capitalism at its worst.
Favorite VR racing game? I’ve got a couple kits but I’ve never played a racing game in VR!
I mostly play arcade games with wheel (FFB) and vorpx. Favorite ones are Burnout Paradise, The Crew 1, Wreckfest, CarX Street and NFS Most Wanted.
Older games tend to have compatibity issues, lackluster ffb and driving feel, and sims don’t get my blood pumping. I like to drift and speed in an open world with music, so after about 10 years of testing various games and series, those are the ones I found to work well for me, run well, have nice FFB, and not require online servers to run.
Thanks a bunch! I don’t have a wheel but I’ve got a couple friends who looove theirs. I mainly played Initial D growing up, so I’d love a game that has great feedback and drifting!
Jokes aside, they all have something in common: a technology that can be useful in some very specific niches, but is advertised as a solution to all problems in the world and usd in large scale for things they shouldn’t be used for, just to grab investors’ money
common: a technology that can be useful in some very specific niches, but is advertised as a solution to all problems in the world and
It is disappointing that, of the three, only NFTs fulfilled the promise and have solved literally every problem*.
*
…for those whose only problem is a need to launder money.
money laundering is a necessary industry
I played an MMO in 2002. People made financial transactions for things in a digital universe. That MMO shut down and the servers wiped around the time Bored Ape shit started. Made me laugh.
But then again, Steve Bannon once made a living selling WoW gold. Shit is wild.
I always thought it could be useful to use NFT as a proof of ownership in a software, for example you buy a game you get an NFT that proves your ownership, down the line you sell the game to someone else, you handover the NFT and bam you are no longer the owner. But software companies won’t use that as it would create a resale value and THEY want to sell new games not le YOU sell your games.
Silly lemmy user thinking tech is suppose to benefit the consumer.
/s
I’ve thought about this to. I think that is the best use for them, the problem is it would require an internet connection to check the blockchain and authenticate that you still own it or it doesn’t work so it’s not ideal.
I think the second panel is not referring to VR in general but rather Metaverse specifically.
Yeah, I honestly don’t know of any tech that has been pushed so hard. NFTs were never something large companies were interested or invested in, and VR was always a niche product. I find AI useful for certain things, but I hope this bubble bursts as soon as possible…
Your Reddit account had a NFT wallet for avatar cosmetics for a while
did they get rid of it?
Yes. Because it could be gifted to others who could then use it however they liked, some governments realized that it could fall under commercial regulation so Reddit got rid of it in a flash.
I stole an NFT once, that was kind of cool.
Same I saw an NFT at a museum in Amsterdam so I took a photo of it so I could steal it.
Here it is:
On TV they were talking about how you can buy NFTs at an event, the reporter held up a QR code to show it. I took a picture of that and got the NFT without paying the entrance fee or $5 QR code cost.
But I lost it because I forgot where it was stored.
Notably VR also generally wasn’t the main pitch. It was just seen as axillary. The reason they promoted it as the next big thing, was the “”“metaverse”“”. Definitions varied, but it was generally a social media platform owned by the seller, and/or was virtual real estate.
One of my friends just set up a 3ds emulator for his VR headset. Pretty much the best way to enjoy the 3d effect without original hardware, and the virtual screens are much larger
There’s a Virtual Boy emulator for VR headsets, too.
AI isn’t the future. It’s the now.
It’s amazing how much more sane people in China are about it.
wdym
Not previous poster, but I believe they may be referring to the observation that sentiment towards AI seems to be fairly neutral in East Asia
PCVR mods are amazing though
Software freedom: turns out we can choose our future anytime we want.
This is the future you don’t want to be left behind do you?
Can they just get in their little fucking bunkers already, and we can seal them off? Not many guillotines required, the stupid fucks can corner themselves and rot… much easier
The Guillotine is a great historical thought, though. Just look at the exemplary oasis of equality that’s France.
ive been in the back of the line my entire life, so not a big thing
I’m so happy I haven’t heard the term Blockchain in a while connected to the next amazing technology. I’ll be happy when LLM goes that way too.
That probably won’t happen. Unlike Blockchain, which really only has a few niche uses, LLMs are incredibly useful for natural language processing and machine translation, both of which are fairly large fields.
Correct they are useful but the amount of money and hype in them need to return to earth.
Block chain for LLMs.
Half wondering if I could just make a website and get VC funding for just the idea.
2 years ago I bet you could. Not sure about now. Need to find the next crazy tech fad and attach that label.
Many are way ahead of you, unfortunately.
Cloud-based multiverse virtual reality with agentic, llm-based, personas. All that using generative graphics and integrated into a blockchain.
You need to dream bigger, my friend, or the dumb billionaires won’t fill you with money
Blockchain is a really interesting technology that has almost no actual use cases, which is kind of amazing in its own way.
It’s great for purchasing semi illegal goods, and commissioning artists that live in scantoned nations.
If this is the future, yes, please leave me behind.
I wouldn’t compare NFTs to VR or AI. The latter two create value, while the former is purely a scam.
AI has destroyed colossal amounts of value.
Ai in the future will create value and be a decent product for some use cases. But… it is likely a few billion dollar industry, not the multi-trillion industry that the current spending commitments would need to be profitable
I agree with the overall concept, LLMs seem extremely useful, I’d say our direction for them is just idiotic. Local devices trained for what they are actually doing, without sending everything back so you can confidently train it on your styles of things etc… I see as a very practical idea. But of course the US’s super focused giant corporate controlled everything goes to a data center of some huge dangerous tech company is beyond ridiculous, and of course just the build out scale of investing literal trillions of dollars into it.
The investment of trillions to get back billions is an excellent example of value destruction (to say nothing of the ecosystem destruction they are engaged in).
Automated caption systems, translators, and data formatters will disappear into the background and will be useful.
But they are fantastic for not taking responsibility for your actions. Health care, public assistance, law enforcement, will all become more arbitrary and bigoted. People will be continue to be hunted down and killed by ICE. Dotards will continue to start wars based on chatbot advice. That’s what the Epstein class is already using them for, they’re a smokescreen.
Can it make value without losing money?
a short term loss of trillions is worth a long term gain of resistance to strikes.
its refering to the “metaverse” specifically, not vr in general
The wild thing is, NFTs were creating value before they were called that, and they still are. A git commit hash is an NFT, for all intents and purposes. The only uhh innovation is being able to pay money for it.
Nah. That’s only really a sentiment around AI. And the difference is understandable, given the promise of techbros.
The future is not defined by products. They’re just along for the ride, all of them expendable, most of them useless.
