• NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net
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    10 days ago

    They want to unban gyphosphate so that CERTAIN countries dropping it on their neighbouring country’s fields doesn’t count as committing a warcrime.

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    11 days ago

    Do you think they had a meeting to come up with this bullshit or all it took was a shower?

      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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        11 days ago

        Theodoric of York.

        You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter’s was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach.

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        11 days ago

        Who would’ve predicted modern toxic bro culture leading to the resurfacing of miasma theory? But at this point I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him start talking about imbalances of black bile and phlegm.

  • DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz
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    10 days ago

    Sorry i can’t keep track of every single retard with a microphone in the US, who is this guy, how did he afford a nice suit, and in what situation is he saying this? ( Im not going to ask what his alma mater is because whatever he got taught in the past it has nothing to do with what he is saying)

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      10 days ago

      One of the kennedys that became republican because he had a drug filled, worm filled life. the heroin/carcass eating likely permanantly damaged his brain. and its the only kennedy that dint have a severe medical condition, or die from a horrible event.

    • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      10 days ago

      how did he afford a nice suit

      Ooh I know that one ! It’s because of the “K” in RFK, which means “Kennedy”

  • Canaconda@lemmy.ca
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    11 days ago

    Is this RFKJ’s broken clock moment?

    Or am I reading into this wrong? Cuz AFAIK glyphosate is in fact bad for the environment and the food chain including us.

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    12 days ago

    Of course science is political. Knowledge is power and all power systems are political.

    But ignoring philosophy, Science is a charity. By in large they must beg for their money. You don’t suppose that the people providing the money have any influence?

    And I’m not talking about junk science, biased studies, or even fraud. A perfectly run study may still be political simply because it was chosen for funding over something else.

  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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    11 days ago

    RFK has never been about science.

    He was a paid antivax advocate, for money, now he’s a paid glyphosate advocate, again for money.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Science is only political because scientists have to continuously convince politicians reality exists.

    It’s frustrating that something like climate change is even a political discussion at all. Don’t Look Up captured that frustration really well.

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      12 days ago

      Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.

      Unfortunately, despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.

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        12 days ago

        I think we need politics to go beyond one reality, and embrace a subjective multiverse where people can perceive what they want to perceive.

        • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          12 days ago

          If only the idiots could just piss off to their own multiverse of idiocy and leave the rest of us alone

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            I would be happy if I didn’t have to share a universe with realists, but the thing about realists is, they’re not happy to let that happen. They think there’s only one universe. They psychologically abuse our kind to try to get us back to their reality.

            I have a friend named Sonic who’s an introject. He appeared in someone else’s head one day, having been assembled from thoughts about video games and comic books. He tried to get help from a psychologist with his mental health. Instead of helping him, she told him he doesn’t exist and tried to erase him. She messed him up so bad, he tried to commit suicide, tried to destroy the body he lives in and everyone else who lives in it, just to prove he could have an affect on the world, that he exists.

            He’s doing a lot better now that he’s surrounded by antirealists and he isn’t seeing that psychologist anymore.

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          12 days ago

          Cool cool cool so the climate is pretty fucked and now the way people have lived for millennia will cease to be possible. But at least we were open minded about delusion.

      • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 days ago

        Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.

        What? No. No, no, you naive fool… many politicians, if not most, don’t believe most of what they’re selling, and don’t give a flying fuck about it.

        They’ll sell whatever line the party they’re working for wants them to sell, and they’d just as happily sell the opposition party’s line if it paid better and they could switch without being called a turncoat.

        Also, it’s not about convincing people about specific beliefs; most people are mostly already convinced of their worldviews and if they change them it won’t be because of some politician. It’s about convincing them, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the politician shares those beliefs, and will impose them on people who don’t if they vote for them.

        despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.

        Again, no. Science (except for mathematics, but that’s it’s own thing) doesn’t and shouldn’t ever claim to be correct.

        It’s the most accurate approximation we have so far of how nature works, but it’s constantly trying to achieve better approximations, and will happily throw away the old ones when it finds a better one.

        It also should always make very clear that it’s an approximation or a description, not an interpretation. Science should always be objective, never subjective, and interpretations are by definition subjective.

    • fossilesque@mander.xyzOPM
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      12 days ago

      You can invent a vaccine, but getting people to take it is a different matter entirely and not just because of politicians.

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        12 days ago

        Andrew Wakefield managed to fuck up people’s attitude towards vaccines quite well without politics.

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          12 days ago

          Inserting things under people’s skin just freaks people out in general. There are so many reasons.

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      12 days ago

      They also have to continually convince politicians and other politically minded people to give them money, and risk having it taken away if their results are politically inconvenient.

    • Vegan_Joe@slrpnk.net
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      11 days ago

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

      Upton Sinclair

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      11 days ago

      Whether climate change is occurring, what damage it’s doing and what’s causing it are scientific questions. How to address it is a set of political questions: How do we get humanity to emit less greenhouse gases? How do we get countries on the same page? How do we make sure that the effects of these changes don’t increase global inequality?

      The scientific questions have been answered very well, and are continuing to be answered in more detail all the time.

      The response to the political questions has been an abject failure so far.

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    11 days ago

    As if denying millions of Americans access to proper healthcare wasn’t enough, they appointed an anti-science, anti-vaxx idiot as if to make sure even more harm would be inflicted on them.

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    12 days ago

    Any scientists want to weigh in here? It’s a theory I’ve heard that does sound plausible even though it’s coming from this moron’s mouth.

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      12 days ago

      I believe what he was trying to get at is that the shikimate pathway that glyphosate inhibits is also used in the bacteria and fungi that make up the gut microbiome.

      Not sure what his overall point was supposed to be (or whether he had one) but that’s the “microbiome is plants” part.

      • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        We are increasingly finding out that gut biome affects mood because the majority of serotonin and dopamine are produced in the gut. While I have to see any conclusive research, I would not be the least surprised to see a direct link between glycophosphate and depression discovered in the future.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      11 days ago

      no nothing comes from his mouth is plausible, he isnt a scientist in epidemiology, or a biologist, he a pseudoscience quack.

    • fox [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      12 days ago

      RFK’s entire health policy is oriented around the false belief that all disease is the result of dietary choices, i.e. metabolic disorders that can be treated with supplements. The supplements market is unregulated and larger by far than the pharmacological market, but it doesn’t really get a slice of public health money.

      RFK is trying very hard to make it possible for government dollars to subsidize pseudoscience health bullshit and the easiest way to do it is by promoting the idea that the cause of good health is diet and exercise and the cause of bad health is bad diet and no exercise. Which isn’t strictly wrong, but it is a way for him to crowbar in fascist ideas about people with hereditary diseases and the disabled and so on, while cashing in on that sweet unregulated supplement money

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      12 days ago

      I’m just here to point out that your stomach microbiome consists of bacteria and fungi, which are not plants.

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      12 days ago

      Nah, that sentence is just total non-sense.

      Plants are still “organic tissue”, the microbiome is mostly in the gut, not the stomach (the stomach is full of acid) and it does NOT consist of plants but of bacteria.

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        12 days ago

        I was asking more of whether glyphosphate was responsible for some of the seeming uptake in gut disorders from wheat we see today.