• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    I kind of get it. It looks a little bit scary so you flash it and some intrusive guy should get the message and fuck of. Probably as effective as spring knife would be but more fancy looking. As an actual self defense weapon it would be useless. I would be easy to close the distance fast and knock it out. I guess this is part of the appeal. It looks scary but is not really that dangerous. Knife would be a better weapon but that’s exactly you don’t want to carry a knife around. It turns any fight in a life or death situation while a big lighter like this is just a prop. Anyway, just get some pepper spray.

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      To add on about using a knife for defense that you lightly touched.

      You never want to be in a knife fight. Nobody wins in a knife fight. Especially if it’s a pocket knife.

      I have a bright neon orange & green bush/field/combat knife that I take with me when I go camping. It’s largely a tool for managing my camp, but I have practiced defensive fighting with it, but I am no knife fighting expert. I see it as a last-ditch effort of defense against a wild animal or human where my life is already on the line. And wearing it on my hip around camp advertises “this person is armed” to any human that has ill intent that comes across my camp during daylight hours. I’d still rather grab my walking stick for a good head bonking and sternum busting, and I would do my best to do that before pulling the knife for defensive combat use.

      So, to be abundantly clear. There are no winners in a knife fight. The “winner” goes to the hospital.

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      Point at face and pull the trigfer, shortly. Shouldn’t be enough to actually harm but burning hair, brows and eyelashes are great at resistributing attention ^^

      • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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        Yes, as I said, might scare someone but will not incapacitate them. Depending on the situation scarring/angering the opponent might be a good or a terrible idea.

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            It’s just a gas lighter. It’s unlikely it will set someone on fire. They would have to be wearing something extremely flammable. To actually set someone on fire you need some agent that will stick to them like gasoline. This will most probably just burn someone’s hair and it’s a good thing. Using actual flamethrower as a self defense weapon would be insane. The chances of hurting yourself or setting whole building on fire would be really big. You could just a well carry a bottle of acid with you.

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      One of my lady friends practiced butterfly knife tricks for years just to intimidate creeps. I’m a little scared myself when I watch her play with them.

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    I am a man. I am buying six of these, a pair of rollerskates, a hockey stick, a mini fire extinguisher, and some string.

    See you guys on TV later!

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    Not sure that’s an acceptable level of violence for pervertry but who am I to get in the way of women’s violent fantasies?

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      Oh no, wont anybody think of the sex criminals just minding their own business harrassing women.

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        To be fair, I would very much encourage people to use knives or even guns for self defence before flamethrowers that can cause tons of collateral damage. Fire isn’t exactly something you can direct super clinically at someone without it also spreading everywhere.

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      There is no level of violence unacceptable for self defense against sexual assault. Keep your hands to yourself.

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          We’ll have to agree to disagree then. If you don’t want to catch fire, don’t sexually assault people.

          Somehow I’ve managed to live nearly 3 decades without sexually assaulting anyone. You can do it too! I believe in you!

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            Nice that you simply assume I sexually assault people. If that’s the kind of thinking you do, I’m not surprised you enjoy violence.

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              Nice that you took a broad statement about sexual assault to be a personal attack directed specifically at yourself.

              Why would you be so defensive about people saying they like the concept of immolating rapists, even as a joke?

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      EVERY TIME ANYTHING WOMAN RELATED COMES UP IN THE FEED, HERE YOU ARE ACTING IT OUT, EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. HOLY HELL WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST WOMEN? I NEED TO KNOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?

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        Not wanting to encourage people lighting other human beings on fire, if they decided the victim is an incel, means I hate women? Your worldview is unhinged. Maybe see someone about your violent fantasies.

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              No, but you obviously do considering your reaction to what is blatantly a joke post.

              Why did you decide an anti-rape/self defense device would be targeted at you enough to have such a strong negative reaction to it?

              Yes or no? Any other answer will be interpreted as a yes. Are you concerned about getting set on fire with a device intended to hurt rapists in a self defense scenario?

              Edit: Also still curious about your stance on dick traps.

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                I don’t consider this a personal attack. Do you not ever consider things from the perspective of others, or the health of your community, or call out behaviors that are concerning even if they don’t impact you personally?

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                  Yeah, that’s exactly why I support the idea of immolating rapists. If you’re willing to accept people getting raped as collateral for your personal safety then why is it wrong for anyone to think the same of handsy creeps in the same way?

                  Also, that was a very strong yes.

                  Edit: The crickets on the dick thing is also a very strong yes.

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        For full context I have that user tagged as “incel” I don’t specifically remember why, but sure as shit seems accurate.

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      Alright. Let’s do this. I’ll bite.

      So first thing’s first, this article is clearly click bait and no, the Chinese government isn’t going to start encouraging or even allowing women to simply carry flamethrowers and open fire on any threat like it’s nothing. So let’s start by establishing that we are arguing hypotheticals here over a clearly click bait article.

      However, the point of self defence isn’t to provide an equivalent punishment to the crime committed, but to allow someone to use violence preemptively against an aggressor to stay safe. You don’t practice self defense after you get raped, but hopefully before you do.

      This opens the door to many difficult and vague situations where it’s hard to tell whether an act was justified or not, but that doesn’t mean that burning someone is necessarily in any way less justifiable than shooting them or stabbing them etc.

      So in this hypothetical scenario, the question isn’t whether burning someone is equivalent to being sexually harassed, because that’s not the type of situation that self defence is meant to be used in. It’s not equivalent but rather preemptive.

      So we are now asking the question: are women entitled to self defence against sexual harassment? And I’d guess the answer probably lies in the middle of “yes every time” and “never” because no one should get raped for lack of self defence avenues, but also I don’t think someone should get burnt to death for cat calling someone else, no matter how inappropriate I may think it is.

      However, if a woman (honestly, any SA victim, not just women) gets touched inappropriately and feels threatened, I think it’s fair to allow her to preemptively attack. So I’d say you can’t argue self defence without the presence of a physical threat. And even then, self defence obviously needs to be clearly outlined to minimise the likelihood of unjustified attacks.

      That being said, this is both obviously clickbait and also a terrible idea simply because of how much uncontrolled collateral damage a flamethrower can do to others, structures and even first responders. So yeah, it’s a dumb idea. But I don’t think that’s because sexual assault is not a basis for self defence, rather because flamethrowers are extraordinarily unsafe weapons for everyone involved.

      • minorkeys@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        For a society that encourages each other to light people on fire if they decide they’re an incel.

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          I mean a society that lights incels, would probably also expand that torchability to other groups rather quickly. And then people like the one above cry because nobody could have Seen THAT coming.

            • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
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              Oh my god, holy shit, that is genuinely fucking hilarious! You’re being earnest, aren’t you? Oh my god, I love it. You’re like the human equivalent of a Neil Breen movie. You wouldn’t work as a written character, they’d say you’re too unrealistic and two dimensional. Keep going, say more shit like that. You’re actively redefining comedy, and I’m here for it.

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                Perhaps you having to interpret reality through the lense of fiction is part of why you want to justify burning people alive. Life isn’t a storybook or a tv show. Go touch some grass.

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    If I don’t hear about women being arrested because some creep got immolated for catcalling them, I am going to be disappointed.

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      Over catcalling? That seems somewhat insane though no?

      Unwanted touching or stalking or threatening and such i could see of course, but reciprocating men trying to get a womans attention (in a crappy and rude fashion) with literally death and/or permanent disfigurement and pain is a little drastic.

      We rightly abhor the insane acid attacks committed on women over some minor transgression out of some fucked sense of honor, sometimes happening in certain countries; how is this a viable position to hold just because the genders are reversed?

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        The European age of mass human sacrifice in the form of witch burning (1450 to 1750) is certainly something we don’t want to bring back.

        If someone’s physical safety is under threat then this seems like a reasonable tool for self protection.

        Let’s hope someone doesn’t abuse it.

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      I too hope that anyone using this shit gets prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

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      Well, that’s the issue I find with this device, the same as guns or general physical force used against harasment and violence against women: it just leads to the woman getting arrested because the issue in the first place is that law enforcement and courts DO NOT take harasment and violence against women seriously

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        Bingo. This isn’t a solution to the problem, it’s a response. The actual problem isn’t being addressed in the slightest. People defending themselves will continue to get blamed for standing their ground. The only solace to be had from that is that women being arrested for “assault” will serve as external confirmation that these things are being used and that they work.

  • Venia Silente@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Well with women having these on hand at least the incels will finally achieve one of their objectives:

    Women thinking they’re smokin’ hot.