I don’t really care about Star Wars
I cannot stand The Godfather. Any mafia shit, really. I hate the whole family hierarchy thing, I hate the guise of freedom when it’s just an organization reminiscent of cops or the military, and I hate the blind loyalty to a system that only serves one person or family, it’s all just so petty and capitalistic, the mafia is fucking stupid.
Yeah thats why you were supposed to take away from that movie, the creator of it isn’t trying to glorify that life but show you how pathetic it is. But idiots watch it and take the wrong message
As is the typical pattern.
“So you see, the lesson is that Gatsby’s pursuit of wealth only kept him further from-“
“Dude, that guy’s parties were AWESOME! He had like a freaking circus there and all! What minority group do I have to brutalize to be like him??”
It insists upon itself.
“COZ IT HAS A VALID POINT TO MAKE, IT’S INSISTENT!”
That’s why the sopranos is pretty good. They are just pathetic overweight old guys who have no connection to italy, but try really hard to pretend they have.
Even better is that a certain kind of group still think they are bad ass, because they kinda fail to see the point.
This is like saying that you hate ‘Apocalypse Now’ and ‘Full Metal Jacket’ because you hate army.
You say that like I’m obligated to appreciate the film just because it claims to be critical of the mafia and if I don’t like it then I just didn’t get it. That’s not the case, I get it. I don’t like those films either, and yes, it’s because they’re army movies. Regardless of being critical of the subject material, you cannot make a movie entirely about the mafia (let alone, three of them), or the army, or anything, without romanticizing the subject matter. Do you have any idea how many people saw The Godfather and fell in love with the idea of the mafia, or Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now and fell in love with the idea of being in the military, or SLC Punk and fell in love with the idea of being a poser? All those people fucking loved those movies. Some people missing the point doesn’t mean that everyone who gets the point is obliged to think a movie is good. The Godfather fucking sucks, because it’s about stupid people doing stupid things and sucking their own dicks about it.
One beautiful thing about art - and, for me, especially movies - is that they reveal truths within ourselves.
The first time I saw Fight Club, the “true” meaning went WAY over my head. I was young, I just saw a cool action flick with a twist ending. To me, the message was Fuck the System. I grew up, though. I can now clearly see the deeper themes, like warning about toxic masculinity and groupthink.
Similarly, Starship Troopers was a favorite of mine. I never understood the parallels to fascism when I was younger - I just rooted for Johnny and the gang.
The Godfather and Apocalypse Now fall squarely into that same set of movies. These are all movies that I enjoyed when I was young, but the themes were just beyond me. And that’s OK. My point is that you are definitely NOT obligated to appreciate these films. But maybe you can understand why these films are studied and rewatched and discussed. At least part of the reason is because someone who saw a film 5 or 10 or 30 years ago is only just now starting to understand it.
Sounds like you want films to be only about sunshine and daisies.
you cannot make a movie entirely about the mafia (let alone, three of them), or the army, or anything, without romanticizing the subject matter.
Way too bold a claim.
Sounds like you don’t understand different tastes and perspectives. I never said that that is inherently a bad thing, I just hate movies focused on military and authoritarian conformity and hierarchy as their main appeal, which is what the mafia is. As I said, I think the mafia is fucking stupid, I’m not asking for movies to be sunshine, I’m saying I don’t give a fuck about stupid mafia bullshit and glorified tales of such. Same goes for hoorah military shit. I’m not even saying it shouldn’t have been made, I just don’t like it, that was the point of this whole post. You can like the movie regardless of how stupid I think it is, art is subjective.
And creating a movie is a glorification of its materials, no matter the intent behind the creator. Just look at Fight Club, SLC Punk, Wall Street, The Punisher, Lolita, Full Metal Jacket, The Joker, etc… That’s not negotiable.
Ah, so ‘District 9’ glorifies refugee camps, ‘Black Mirror’ glorifies techno-authoritarianism, ‘Life Is Beautiful’ glorifies Nazi concentration camps, ‘Idiocracy’ glorifies abject stupidity, ‘One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest’ glorifies abusive psychiatric hospitals, ‘Soylent Green’ glorifies overpopulation?
Your take was bizarre before, but with that comment it’s plain idiotic.
You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying, and it shows. You know what I’m getting at, I’m not playing in to this purposely obtuse bullshitery. I don’t like The Godfather and have valid criticisms of the films, get the fuck over it.
Also, you didn’t understand those movies and shows at all if you think those were the themes and subjects they were focusing on and exploring. Learn how to examine and interpret a story, you’re only seeing the metaphors, maybe watch some stuff on media literacy and film studies.
This is laughable coming from a guy who wrote “creating a movie is a glorification of its materials, no matter the intent behind the creator. That’s not negotiable.” Learn to take your head out of your ass before talking shit.
You’re not supposed to like the Mafia in these movies.
I agree that the system sucks and that, IRL, they’re bad people and harmful to society. Still a good movie though.
Lookie here boys, we gots ourselves a tough guy. Hey, Rico, why don’t you show our friend what happens to tough guys round here. Maybe a little swim with the fishies will show him we ain’t so bad after all.
I would live at the cinema if it was possible.
Ok for something resembling a more serious answer, I’ve always found it weird when things outside of a film itself affected people’s opinions on the film itself. Like I don’t care that an actor or director was caught saying something dumb or the people don’t speak out in support of something. If the film is good or bad, then that stuff shouldn’t affect it imo. I know films don’t exist in a bubble, but whenever I talk to people and they bring this up for why they do or don’t like something or think it’s over or underrated then I just get really confused.
Because art has meaning only through our emotional attachment. Literally anything can upset that balance.
I’d be willing to bet that you also have a tipping point.
Maybe you you don’t care if a director is charged with allegations of sexual impropriety. But what if it’s molesting a child? What if that child lived in your town? What if that child were your 15 year old niece? What if she was your 10 year old daughter? What if she were murdered?
At some point (hopefully long before your daughter is murdered!), most of us would probably form a personal opinion about this crazy-ass director who’s running around and committing heinous crimes, and it would skew our perception of their work. It’s just that the line in the sand is a bit different for all of us.
Well wessa don’t care about the you
They really screwed up “The Wizard of Oz” by their knee-jerk reaction to using new colour technologies right in the middle of production. It was jarring, not amazing, as I’d already been accustomed to colours all of my life. /s
Having The Rock in your movie makes it worse.
Given his script caveats to get him to star, you’re right.
I think you’re reversing causality. Movies that were bound to be bad cast The Rock. We need to experiment by casting The Rock in a Paul Thomas Anderson.
casting The Rock in a Paul Thomas Anderson
It’s complicated.
I’ve only liked maybe two Rock movies and he still had hair in both of them.
The amount of computer generated special effects used in a movie directly correlates with the likelihood of me not liking it.
Superhero movies for example are completely unwatchable because of this.
It’s a bit more complicated than that, just recently stumbled across this guy who looks deeper into it - https://youtu.be/tvwPKBXEOKE.
CGI is a big part but the (lack of) cinematography plays a much bigger part than i would have thought.
I liked The Happening.
Whether it was intentional or not, there’s a really interesting metaphor for the 24/7 news cycle, the need to blame something, and the state of the world. There’s so much in there to think about but most of the audience just thought “plants make people kill themselves? That’s too silly”. In my mind it isn’t the plants; no one knows, but the need to get the first headline, or feel in control is so great that people get frantic, panicky, and dangerous.
That movie would have been better without that dick Marky mark in it
Say hi to your mother
Movies in general aren’t interesting to me. I much prefer video games.
my wife said something akin to this in a discussion we had. I was saying how I mostly use video as background and rarely pay attention to it now.
Cinema has it’s own symbolic language. As does music, dance, painting, etc. They are all different languages with different capabilities. Translation from book to movie is always incomplete, just as The Divine Comedy does not move into English without significant compromise. Adaptation is the best to hope for. And even that is often too difficult to accomplish well.
Translation from book to movie is always incomplete
I wouldn’t say ‘always’, since plenty of books don’t have anything besides what would be shown on the screen.
But also, conversely, cinema allows for things that can’t be put in a book. Lynch’s films can’t be turned into books with a semblance of the same effect — even though literature has its own surreal tradition, and Ballard, Kobo Abe or Murakami don’t quite work in film. And the notion of novelizing ‘Man With a Movie Camera’ doesn’t even make sense.
Watching a movie in cinemas make the experience better, compared to watching the same mlvie at home.
I didn’t think One Battle After Another was very good. Felt like my generation’s Crash, though not nearly as bad
Actual hottake unlike the OP
But…Crash was a pic everyone needed to have seen. Is OBaA the same?
Crash was a hard watch.
The resistance was just entirely too goofy. It felt like 3 scenes from Dumb and Dumber were shoehorned into an action/thriller.
Good bones, though. It was a solid idea. Sean Penn and Teyana Taylor are absolutely unforgettable as Lockjaw and Perfidia.
I think SW 7, 8 and 9 are OK and liked them better than 1 and 2, which I disliked so much that I never bothered to see 3.
Episode 3 is better when you watch it as a meta movie. Or with the commentary on.
George Lucas really started to learn that his shit does smell with episode 1 & 2, and asked for help with Episode 3. So watching how he got help, and the behind the scenes, just makes each scene more enjoyable.
3 is better than 1 and 2.
I think 8 is the biggest steaming pile of garbage ever, but 7 was simple fun and 9 would have been decent if it wasn’t forced to rebuild the china shop that 8 had just rampaged through. The Last Jedi took every bit of work building a narrative that 7 had done, piled it up, shat on it, then lit it on fire, all in the name of trying to be a cool rogue auteur. 9 had no choice but to do inane contortions like “somehow, Palpatine returned” because there were no fucking villains left alive.
Rian Johnson should never be allowed within a hundred miles of a beloved franchise he didn’t create. He can keep making Knives Out, but I will die on the hill that The Last Jedi is a selfish, senseless, poorly written piece of hackery.
Partial blame goes to Disney for not having the sequel trilogy plot predetermined in a story bible before ever putting the first ink to script.
More theaters need a rotation of classics. There’s a whole subset of movies I’d love to see in theaters again and having to wait for some small theater half an hour away to show one of those for one weekend a year is a bummer.
We have a local theater here that basically only runs classics, it’s pretty great.
This is why I love my local theater, comparatively cheap tickets and the best prints for old classics running all the time.
Sometimes they also bring in the director, or someone else that was involved in the production to talk about the movie. Those are really fun.
Sorry, chief. Best we can do is a lousy remake instead. That’s because the licensing rights for oldies are too hard to figure out so we can’t be bothered, and all creativity in Hollywood died in 1999.
Nuh-uh. What about the matrix?
Shit. You’re right.
Its funny because when I was young bargain theaters would play old stuff they could get cheap regularly. I think its tougher now that people can see something whenever they like.
I really liked how the 48fps version of the Hobbit looked (even though the movies themselves were mediocre).
Regular actors should stick to regular acting and leave voice acting to voice actors.
Is this a hot take?
Chris Pratt as Mario was when a lot of people went “wtf why?”
A lot of people wouldn’t even know about it if Chris Pratt wasn’t in it
A lot of people would not have known about Mario? 🤨
Oh man, the idea that you consider the worst Chris to be a bigger draw than Mario. Wow
I think it’s more about drawing other audiences. Kids and gamers will absolutely watch Mario. If you cast Pratt, you could probably pull marvel fans as well. Using the og Mario voice actor may miss out on those sales
Again he’s the worst Chris. He’s not a draw for anybody. Great actors can’t be draws. That ain’t him.
Okay, just as a caveat I know we should let this go and it doesn’t really matter and it’s obviously all subjective. However I’m just deathly curious, do you consider Chris Pratt a great actor? Cuz I’ve never heard anyone say that and I’d be fascinated to find otherwise.
I think you highly underestimate the cultural catchet of Mario.
Too much of a hot take for the hot take post?
I wouldn’t call it a hot take, just kind of a silly one, akin to saying the Nike logo isn’t that recognizable.
I was talking to someone about that movie, and I brought up Chris Pratt. They didn’t know who he voiced in the movie.
