Imagine Dragons. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is:
They picked up hate for being marketed like they’re some kind of super hard rock, even though they’re not. But their music is good for the genre it is. The lead singer was raised Mormon, but is now an activist for LGBT youth.
i think they picked up the hate for being played everywhere and a lot of their songs sound the same. Interesting lore on the lead singer, that does make me like them more
I always thought it was because they essentially pioneered the “rock music for commercials” genre
I don’t like them because there’s no singer, just a guy screaming in an auto tune cranked to 10.
there’s no autotune tho
I can guarantee with as corporate and overproduced as that shit is they 100% use autotune. When you do it right you can’t tell. I use it in my home studio even, most songs use it across all genres.
It’s difficult to autotune screaming and sound that good. As a Windmill scene fan, the problem with Imagine Dragons is not the vocals (the lead has awesome technical abilities); it’s the lack of a pint.
what on earth does any of this mean?
what is a Windmill scene and what do you mean by lack of a pint? like a pint of beer? they would be better if they were drunk?
I swear I ninja-edited it to “point”. “Windmill scene” you can search up; it’s not too easy to describe. Some call it “crank wave”? Some call it art punk.
I did some research and it looks like they do on some and don’t on others which is about as milquetoast as I’d expect from them
Could you elaborate on which songs they use autotune on? Other than whatever “Thunder” is.
I’ve got to disagree with this one. Imagine Dragons was synthesized in a lab to be as corporate sounding as possible. The lead singer especially is grating. It’s exactly the singing style that Ai would come up with. That’s not a random comment, I know because old people show me shitty Ai songs on a regular basis and they sound like Imagine Dragons.
That thunder song was legitimately terrible.
I didnt know who that was… Now I hate Imagine Dragons.
I think it was ACDC, and there’s a drinking game that goes with it
Two different songs
Lars Ulrich?
Smash Mouth wound up getting overplayed with “All Star”, but their debut Fush Yu Mang is excellent. Way better than you’d expect, and it’s worth a listen if just for their first radio hit, “Walkin On The Sun”.
That album definitely doesn’t get enough credit. It’s got some surprisingly heavy-hitting songs. Nervous in the Alley? The Fonz? Let’s Rock?
It’s crazy to me how many commercials used Walking on the Sun for the “So don’t delay, act now, supplies are running out” line, considering the broader context of the song.
I was definitely too young to understand most of those songs as a kid.
Walkin On The Sun is actually kind of based if you listen to the lyrics.
TBh I loved Astro Lounge (the album that All Star is on). The rest of the album is quite good despite the wearing out of its most famous track.
I soured on it pretty quick only due to the ubiquity of “All Star”, but I really should revisit that album. Even that song isn’t bad, it just got played to death.
It’s not as angry and energetic as Fush Yu Mang but I think it’s a solid album.
That album is really great! Road Man has a great tune.
Dave Matthews Band got a lot more hate than they deserved
Probably overlooked him somewhere but I didn’t see Ed Sheeran, I believe he’s okay, a good songwriter and very talented musician. He might be hated because it’s very poppy, but it’s cringe to hate stuff for being popular/pop.
I think, for a certain mindset (mine), it has been difficult to match his appearance with his music, which is basically pop that tries to be a bit sexy. I have no problem with unconventional-looking artists (Frank Black, Thom Yorke, etc.), but they don’t try to sound like players, as such, and I think that is where the disconnect is for me. I also do not enjoy his music, and I don’t really thinks he has much to say lyrically. There’s something unabashedly commercial about him that just irritates me.
That said he definitely has talent and i’m clearly not his demographic, so what do I know.
Currently Imagine Dragons. But I remember when Nickleback also was the butt of many jokes despite not being a terrible band.
There’s hate for imagine dragons? Or is it just the same Nickelback “ok, but not exciting” hate?
It sure as hell feels like manufactured hate than real hate. With Nickleback, I only ever started seeing people making fun of them after an episode of South Park (iirc) made fun of them, which just made every one of those jokes posted by a user online seem like they just wanted to copy the show and get some laughs. It feels exactly the same when I see memes hating on Imagine Dragons.
Maybe Michael Jackson for being pedo.
People really really hate him. I remember when I was a kid, e,g pre 2020s, everyone seemed to love him. Now he’s like a kind of Hitler. Interesting how people literally only tune into the mainstream stuff, i.e refused to accept he was dodgy until the evidence became overwhelming around this year
Eh, everyone does that to some degree. Not enough time in the day to keep up with everything. I’ve gone years without knowing an artist I liked did something bad. Even longer if it’s an artist I don’t like!
Calling Michael Jackson “not that bad” is a bit of an understatement, though.
I think it’s clear now that, at least in America, everybody pretends to hate pedophiles when in reality they could not give less of a fuck
I’ve met so many people who hate Meatloaf. I think Bat out of Hell is a top 10 album.
I don’t hate it, I just don’t get it. Rock boomers always ranked it pretty high. The album art looks like the most killer metal album ever. And then I drop the needle for the first time and it’s fuckin’ showtunes.
That makes sense, because the music is repurposed from a musical that Meat and Steinman were writing.
Back when I was a wedding DJ, I’d queue up Meatloaf when I had to take a shit
Makes sense, his songs are pretty long.
His name was Robert Paulson.
Meatloaf was a terrible human being, it’s hard to ignore that and like his music. I used to like that album before I knew though.
The amount of Rock stars that aren’t terrible humans probably wouldn’t fill two hands.
I don’t think being pro-Trump and then realising he was a sack of shit and then becoming anti-Trump necessarily counts as being a terrible human being.
His only other controversial stuff seems to be being a climate change denier and anti-vaxxer but I put that down to stupidity over any malice on his part.
Plus you can argue that Jim Steinman was a bigger part of Loafs music than Loaf himself.
What? What did the 'loaf do to anyone?
I think I only really know two Meatloaf songs, and I’m not particularly fond of either of them.
Oh, well because you know two songs I guess I’m just wrong.
your wrong, because I know more then 2 of his songs and Bat out of Hell is lame. Even by 1970s standards.
So lame that it went 14 times platinum.
boomers and bad taste, the winning combo
Yeah, because only boomers have bad taste. 🙄
I like the song “do anything for love” because it is a core memory of my mama singing her heart out to it while we were driving to the beach in Clearwater. I was like 5 or 6.
I can close my eyes and see her now.
Boy, am I glad I’m moving my family back in with my ma. Being she got stage 4. Thank you for reminding me of this memory.
That was a really strange way to interpret my comment. Sorry for trying to participate in the conversation.
Honestly, what were you thinking?
the acclaimed actor?
Well, I don’t know about acclaimed, but he did some acting. I liked him in Black Dog, but I think he wasn’t really acting in that one.
The songs are good. The person was a POS that I’m glad is gone. Sadly. So many musicians of that era are maga turds.
Yeah, but I’m talking about the music. If we only listened to music from good people we wouldn’t have much to choose from.
Following that logic, the Harry Potter universe is perfectly acceptable. Just ignore the raging transphobe that is JK.
Well, for one, she’s still alive
I’d argue that the difference is that JK is actively using the money she gets for Harry Potter to influence policy and hurt people. I don’t remember Meat Loaf doing that…
Exactly.
Probably Nickelback. I’m no fan, but they seem to get the most hate of anyone just for being mediocre.
I read somewhere once that their agent would book them at any festival that would accept them. That lead to them getting booed a lot where they didn’t match the rest of the lineup. People began to anticipate them and became a heel type character to avid concert goers.
I don’t mind their one song. But that’s the thing, they only have one song (they all sound the same).
Comedy Central destroyed Nickleback. There was a comedy special or show, I don’t remember. Anyway, they promoted the show with a clip from a stand-up bit that was at Nickleback’s expense. I you watched The Daily Show, or South Park, you would have seen that ad a hundred times. After that, liking Nickleback was an embarrassment.
What follows is my bad recollection of the joke.
People say that music can incite violence and I think that’s true because every time I listen to Nickleback I want to hurt… Nickleback.
I barely remember that… Christ…that seems so long ago.
I remember that, and this is accurate. Thing is, Brian Poesehn is famously a hard core heavy metal fan, and seems to judgementally hate anything but what he personally likes, so Nickelback got taken down by a guy with questionable taste.
Brian posehn. The geologist from Big bang theory.
For me it’s “Photograph.” Such an aggressively sappy and mediocre song. Every time I hear it, it reminds me of an essay I would have written on the bus on the way to school in 6th grade.
I kind of like “Never Again”, it’s a bit heavy-handed but it’s got crunchy guitar and the message is good, don’t put up with abusive shit.
But seriously, what the hell IS on Joey’s head?
I decided to look it up and it’s a champagne chiller polished really well, looks like the Stanley cup
That’s why I like it, it’s funny to me. Even funnier after the memes like look at this graph
I did a studio session with them about 20 years ago, when they were still pretty popular and before they were widely considered to be a joke, but I was not a fan. When the studio I was working for called me to do the session, my wife said, “Watch - they will end up being really nice guys and you will end up liking them more because of it.” In reality, they were arrogant dickheads, and I hated them all the more ever since.
Really? When i worked with them, they were all really nice guys. Surprised to hear that.
People at the height of their own popularity tend to be dicks. My mom organized some event with Neil degrasse Tyson during his hay day and said he was pretty insufferable.
He uhh always has been and still is as far as I’m aware. He talks down to everyone, even the camera. And him tearing apart movies was the most obnoxious thing. We know Neil, we know.
When I heard him talk about his relationship with Carl Sagan and how he was one of the very few people that were willing to invest time and energy in him as a black man in STEM at the time he made a little more sense to me. I feel like having to fight for it has probably made him a lil crispy around the edges.
He’s somehow one of the most pseudointellectual people alive despite legitimately being an intellectual.
Well, knowing they’re all assholes helps me not feel bad for all the hate they get.
i understand that nickelback is low hanging fruit, but limp bizkit is right there
I liked their music. It’s mindless, like the musical version of reality TV, but it was fun.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anybody hate on Limp Bizkit like I’ve heard them hate on Nickelback.
Yeah. When Limp Bizkit had their crap album, they just disappeared. It was also around the time that Nu Metal was dying, so the end was swift.
Nickelback died a lot more slowly.
At least LB had some personality, and more than one chord progression
I unironically love the music of Limp Bizkit, but Fred Durst seems like a shitty person in many ways.
Funny enough, Fred famously flushed a cutout of the lead singer of Nickelback on stage.
That was really what gave everyone the ick. But I defy anybody to say they can’t name at least 2 songs of theirs they liked. My mom liked chocolate starfish so much when I was listening to it that she went out and bought her own copy.
I can 100% say that.
Same, not that I hate them specifically but I have a skill to completely ignore artists I don’t care about. Bunch of my friends were big fans but me I can’t even tell them apart from Linkin park. Like, who sang “numb” ?
I guess you can never be wrong about anything if you just think someone who says something you don’t want to hear is lying…?
Just because I don’t believe you doesn’t mean I care one way or the other.
I dont love LB but something about them hits just right for the gym. LB were popular but they werent sellouts. Even if you hated them.
Nickelback had the chops to really rock, but instead settled into a top 40 safe role and cashed the check.
Oh please, Limp Bizkit only did it for the nookie.
Come on…
I really enjoy Limb Bizkit’s music. It’s “just” the vocals that suck imo
Hating them is a meme I guess. I don’t mind them.
I think the whole hating on Nickelback started with people who thought Nickelback was the best band in the world. They’re like the most average band in the world. They’re not bad, but they aren’t particularly good either.
I agree. They have some solid songs, especially the ones with lyrics dealing with more serious subject matter. But they’re just not amazing either.
They had a good song recently “she keeps me up”.
There’s nothing of theirs that I like and I think they’re mediocre at best, but I agree. The amount of hate is totally unjustified.
and like, they’re not even that bad
Foo Fighters, for some reason, are fucking loved, and yet if you actually listen to their albums, they’re just… meh
they got a few good songs and a lot of things I never want to hear again. and that’s coming from someone whose favourite band was them for a very long time. not to mention they sound like shit live
It’s really more the generation that came up thinking Nickleback was peak hard rock/grunge or even edgy that’s to blame. Nickelback themselves are fine, there’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting to have a wide audience for your pop rock band but some semblance of hardness in your sound.
I suspect the real reason a lot of people hate them is because they have mastered the earworm. One line from any of their songs will ruin your day.
Ghost comes to mind. I’ve never had a problem with them and a lot of their songs I think are pretty good. Seems like they get shit on a lot though.
Have anything to read about them? Never even heard of them
Gotcha. Ghost is a metal pop concept band, where the front man is an ongoing chain of satanic antipopes (while still being the same dude in face paint). Only they are all really bad at converting the world to Satan worship on account of doing the actual work is no fun, and what’s the point of being the satanic antipope if you aren’t gonna have fun.
Sounds great! Only… Metalheads are like “this isn’t metal” and they’re kinda right. Its pop music, but metal and satanic.
Also, the front man may have fucked over his bandmates, or maybe not, depends really. I’m inclined to say his behavior may have been shitty, but that’s something you should work out beforehand.
As a metal head, I didn’t understand Ghost for the longest time. I didn’t hate it, but “this isn’t metal” was my exact thought, lol. Took me a few tries before I finally thought they were “okay”. Then I went to see them live, and now they’re probably in my top 15 bands.
A lot of fellow metal heads out there don’t like it when music is fun enough to be enjoyed by people who don’t keep a closet full of long-sleeved band shirts. A couple years ago I ran into an old coworker at a Fleshgod Apocalypse show and they got angry when I asked if they were interested in tagging along to an upcoming Dethklok show.
I saw Dethklok and Babymetal together, your old coworker would have hated it.
Dethklok is awesome tho
I love that it sounds like dark 80s pop. I have a friend that I told square hammer was about Freemasonry because he’s a mason. Took like 2 years of listening to it before he really caught the lyrics.
This is because they seem like they would be a metal band but are not. Ghost doesn’t claim that but some fans do from time to time and it never fails to rage bait metal fans.
I really like their cover of Avalanche, originally by Leonard Cohen.
I can’t listen to Ghost because someone said they sounded like Scooby-Doo chase music.
Lady Gaga with Satanic/Catholic imagery.
They’re basically Dark ABBA
Why is this so accurate? (I like Abba)
I’ve never really listened to Ghost but I have a buddy who really likes both them and ABBA, so that tracks
Seconded. They make good music and seem to have fun doing it.
I love ghost. Great songwriting and their mixes are fuckin solid (Andy Wallace of course)
Really? I’ve never heard anything bad about them, whenever I hear someone talk about them it’s always very positive
“they’re not ‘heavy metal’, and not really satanic”
People just struggle to put them in a category, and that hurts some people’s brains but I really dig it.
Since people are fairly familiar with Western artists, I’d like to mention Orange Range, an Okinawan Rock/Hop Hop band that was huge in the 2000s in Japan.
Some of you might know them because they did a bunch of anime/drama OPs, ads, and even did the official World Cup support song for team Japan (a huuuuge feat for a bunch of kids from Okinawa), but they were joking around how they still music from famous artists during an interview, and the haters just chewed them up. I personally like their music and their “stealing,” is more like “parodying,” imo.
Justin Bieber and BTS
Varg Virkenes / Burzum.
Litteral neonazi makes decent black metal.
Hanson. Their curse was that Mmmbop became THE hit early in their career. Their later stuff is in fact alright and with a lot more skill involved than a single repeated hook.
“Lost Without Each Other” is a genuine bop. They’re a lot better than they get credit for.
The Beatles are alright.
They just sound boring to younger people because they were so influential, their work got incorporated into all of pop music.
I don’t personally hate them but my college roommate did because he thought they were boring.
Even if you don’t grasp the context of the times, it’s insane to call them “boring” unless they never listened past “A Hard Days Night” or “Help!”
Even those are only “boring” because they were so groundbreaking and influential
Right, they aren’t boring by any means, it’s just before they started getting really experimental.
Though they were smoking TONS of weed during Help! and you can def tell that something was different imo. Meeting with Bob Dylan fundamentally changed them.
