• mynameisbob@lemmy.ml
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      12 days ago

      yet they are a product and a victim of our antisocial infrastructure. The criminal and the victum are one in the same. Justice should be served but the enviroment still plays a part.

  • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    13 days ago

    Kicking or hitting a car that’s almost run you over is a hard instinct to stop. Like, I don’t bang on them or anything in anger, but just the instinct to fling out an arm or a leg to shove it back is intense if you’ve never been caught unaware by it. Escalating to shooting over that is nuts, also kind of nuts that he was in an actual car and not an emotional support truck, which is the kind of vehicle I usually expect the terminally carbrained to drive.

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      13 days ago

      Whatever happened to a good ol’ “I’m walking here!” Said with a strong Brooklyn accent.

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      13 days ago

      Definitely. There are at least 5 or 6 cars in my city that have a pretty good scratch from my ring. I know it’s just a matter of time before that goes wrong and I get a finger torn off in the most painful way possible, but goddamn if it isn’t satisfying.

      • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip
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        There are at least 5 or 6 cars in my city that have a pretty good scratch from my ring.

        if this happened to you 5 or 6 times in your lifetime, you either live in some pretty absurd place, or you need to rethink your habits of jumping in front of the car.

        • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
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          there’s a crosswalk near me that has a 50% historical chance of the approaching driver ignoring the no right on red. of that 50%, roughly 25% are close enough to me that I would say I am in danger and I can reach the vehicle.

          I could absolutely have avoided some of those if I just waited for the car to blow the stop line, but I don’t, because I don’t want to live my life in fear, it’s their fucking obligation to stop and not maim me, and then if I hesitate to walk out that just means it’ll confuse other drivers who stopped for me but then see me not going and take the opportunity to blow the stop anyways as soon as I start walking. I’m fucked either way.

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            close enough to me that I would say I am in danger

            but I don’t, because I don’t want to live my life in fear, it’s their fucking obligation to stop and not maim me

            you don’t want to live your life in fear, so you will rather subject yourself to danger of being maimed? that is interesting strategy. who cares whose obligation it is when it is you who is going to be injured or worse?

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                12 days ago

                it was rhetorical question, dumbass. when you are dead, it doesn’t matter whose fault it was or if they should have stopped, you are still dead. ANd ThAT CAPslocK dIDN"T REalLy HelP!

                • desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  learn to read jfc it’s not a matter of whose fault is it, it’s that there is no safe way to cross anyway because drivers are fucking stupid

                  then if I hesitate to walk out that just means it’ll confuse other drivers who stopped for me but then see me not going and take the opportunity to blow the stop anyways as soon as I start walking. I’m fucked either way.

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                it was rhetorical question, motherfucker. when you are dead, it doesn’t matter whose fault it was or if they should have stopped, you are still dead. ANd ThAT CAPslocK dIDN"T REalLy HelP!

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    12 days ago

    Carry a few used AA batteries instead and throw them at the back window after they’ve passed. That way you have time to get away.

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      200g weights, they’re used for calibrating measuring instruments. Fits in the palm of your hand, weighs about a half pound. I think 1 will run you like 8 bucks, and you don’t have to waste a battery.

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        Dead AAs don’t cost anything. They are otherwise headed to recycling or a dump. And they fit nicely in you pocket most of the time.

        Broken spark plug ceramic works even better and will shatter tempered glass, but if cops catch you with it they might know what it’s for. The batteries are plausible pocket stuff.

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          Yeah cops will definitely recognize ninja rocks, I’m just not sure a double A will carry enough weight to break a car window.

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    12 days ago

    You know in this particular situation I don’t think the car was the main problem.

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      Yeah, it could be because of our car culture, not the cars themselves. Or maybe it’s just good old fashioned lack of mental healthcare.

      People spend SO much money on their damn cars, and often treat them both like a second home and a part of their personality.

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    Not defending the shooter, he definitely had a severe over reaction to the situation. But dude had no fucking survival instincts. Why would you kick the 2 ton box of metal, powered by explosions and driven by someone who clearly doesn’t care about your safety? In the land driveby shootings no less.

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      Because the dude didn’t live a life of constant fear. He was a human being that almost got badly injured on a crosswalk, so he showed unregulated emotion, probably not with the intend of starting a fight for life or death, most probably because he did not think every other person is a psychopathic maniac.

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      12 days ago

      I see what you’re going for, but there are a couple things;

      1. The shooter shouldn’t have had a gun or the license to drive. If his mental state was that hair-trigger it’s a travesty that this combination of elements was allowed to happen.

      2. What other response would have been appropriate? Are you suggesting we should just passively allow bullies to do whatever they want?

      So, more or less — no. If you think the appropriate reaction to almost being hit by a car is to throw your hands up and run away screaming, that’s the appropriate action for you. Not everyone is going to respond the same way, and being mad/lashing out about almost being critically injured is a perfectly reasonable response.

      • Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.works
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        Well, choosing not to kick cars that belong to clearly dangerous people has never gotten me shot.

        Honestly, I think choosing to move on is absolutely the best course of action. Kicking the car in some act of vengeance, or expression of (even justified) anger isn’t going to make things better but it might make things worse. That bullet could’ve hit anyone in the vicinity, and even if dude hadn’t pulled a gun, the car he was driving is just as deadly and has plenty of potential for collateral damage.

        Like I agree with you that the shooter definitely shouldn’t be driving with that mental state of his, but just because he’s in the wrong doesn’t make it right to escalate things such that everyone around you is in danger too.

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          escalate things such that everyone around you is in danger too.

          No — there’s no escalation past the guy almost hitting someone with his car. That is the point of escalation. If anything, kicking the car is a deescalation — because escalation would mean trying to kill the driver. Whether that’s shooting them, beating them to death, whatever. Because that is literally the level they were brought to by the driver/ shooter.

          You’re essentially victim blaming by trying to suggest that the guy who kicked the car contributed to the escalation.

          That being said, of course the best course of action is to leave. Not everyone is ok with almost dying and not giving the person who did it a piece of your mind. Unfortunately it played out like it did.

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            I mean, his death is not his own fault, and I’m not trying to say otherwise. This was murder, plain and simple. But kicking the car was still stupid, pointless and dangerous. Encouraging other people to follow this guy’s example is pointless, stupid, and dangerous.

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              Encouraging other people to follow this guy’s example is pointless, stupid, and dangerous.

              Absolutely not. If I were to extrapolate from your logic and follow it I’d never go outside because clearly the intelligent and safe thing to do is just never go outside.

              Seriously, you are just wrong here. There will never be a world where kicking someone’s car after they almost hit you with it warrants being shot. It should not even occur to you to be something you can’t do, it is that far below the point the driver/shooter had already brought it to. To call it escalation means that you either don’t understand the meaning of the word or have alterior motives for dying on this hill.

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      12 days ago

      humans stuck together against apex predators to get to the point were we are today. I say we bring back the T-rex rarhhhh… We need apex predators or we get bored and kill ourselves

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      Absolutely. Lost my job recently and started having to drive again and let me tell you every single driver is some form of psychotic. It’s insane.

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      12 days ago

      smart people with guns are a danger to dictators. The infrastructor is our number one enemy. It produces anti-social behavior.

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        both at face value if you subscribe to the idea that this has to be the way it is… people around the world don’t have our issues. Oh the land of milk and honey sprinkled with dummy. This type of stuff happens too often… it is like apart of our culture. Of cource venture capital and the tech bro have sum GREAT solutions.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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        Nah. It was absolutely an asshole problem. Yes, a car was involved, but the problem was the human driver.

        It’d be different if it were a self driving car. It would be like if you used a lawnmower to mow your lawn, ran over a beehive, and tgen blamed the lawnmower for getting attacked by bees. Or blamed the gun itself for the pedestrian getting shot.

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      it’s impossible not to call it a car issue. cars function as weapons against pedestrians, that’s why car murders are illegal but almost never carry the same sentence as shooting someone despite sometimes being more lethal than a handgun.

      also calling gun violence an American phenomenon is a European’s way to soothe their own egos despite Germany frequently having lynchings by gun caused by Nazi cops. there’s a reason why BLM didn’t remain contained to USA and sparked massive uprisings in Europe

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      The car becomes a kind of psychological armour that can disinhibit normal social behaviour.

      Behind the wheel, people often express emotions they would never display in face-to-face interactions. This disconnect between normal personality and driving behaviour suggests that cars can trigger different psychological states. Understanding this can help drivers recognise when their emotions are becoming problematic and take steps to regain control.

      i agree with this statement from a page i’ve never heard of

      • Oida Grantla@discuss.tchncs.de
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        There’s a lot truth in that. That’s why more and more morons buy those 2.5 ton space wasters of US production or of US style. Oh, can anyone tell me what’s the sports characteristica in Sport Utility Vehicle?