• bizarroland@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    This makes me realize that if you have a feudalism, master-slave kind of dynamic thing that you want for your life, feel free. I’m not one to judge.

    Just don’t bring me into your weird little fucking kink.

    Let me make my own fucking choices.

  • CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    The world would be better if a bunch of people could just admit they are into mental BDSM and they are subs

  • justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io
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    23 days ago

    Eh, I don’t think that is universally true.

    There was an article about one of those “tradwife” influencers who got a divorce recently after realizing that she hated the very idea, but only after she was engulfed in the life.

  • Chl0r0f0rm_Angel@sh.itjust.works
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    23 days ago

    Sort of? This is giving way to much logic to an emotional situation. The reason fanboys choose Musk isn’t because he has leadership or patriarchal qualities, he just has money which they think is the same thing as being smart. They can project themselves on to him and experience his wealth or veneer of expertise vicariously through a fantasy.

    This still is the relationship men have with patriarchs. It’s just obfuscated by the fact that Piss-odor guy isn’t competent in the ways associated with rulership

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      23 days ago

      I think your interpretation is still too cerebral. People don’t follow money because it’s money. Money has become essential to our individual survival, so success with money is essentially conquering the threats to individual survival, and I think that is why people revere him and other billionaires.

      At the end of the day, we’re all shit scared of our own end, and we’ve been tricked into believing that money is our way out of that inevitability. Money is God, so those with lots of money are closer to God, if not a god themselves.

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    We all have our heroes that we look up to. We all think that the other’s heroes are stupid and bad and our heroes are geniuses and good.

    We all get disappointed with our heroes and inevitably find out that they were stupid and bad, too. So, we stop reading, and take a nap from noon to two a.m. Then we all get up and we are all sad

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      23 days ago

      We all have our heroes that we look up to.

      Not all of us. You’re just projecting your own feelings.

  • thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
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    23 days ago

    Nobody inherently believes anything. They observe the world as they grow up, they listen to the things their parents and friends say, they listen to music and the media. We all are influenced by the environment around us and then we have the balls to say “I’m an independent thinker”.

    I think listening to whatever someone tells you they believe is a waste of time. They don’t hold fast to principles. It’s some combination of regurgitating the environment back and reinforcing pleasurable experiences and removing painful experiences.

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      23 days ago

      Nobody inherently believes anything. They observe the world as they grow up, they listen to the things their parents and friends say, they listen to music and the media. We all are influenced by the environment around us and then we have the balls to say “I’m an independent thinker”.

      Brilliant point.

      I think the undertone of existential comics saying “oh they INHERENTLY believe in masters” is trying to imply the only way to deal with such people is to kill them. Gruesome. The shutting down of all dialogues.

      This is why I belive listening to what someone tells you they believe is not a waste of time, because you can then convince them otherwise.

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        22 days ago

        This is why I belive listening to what someone tells you they believe is not a waste of time, because you can then convince them otherwise.

        Ok but like… How many people will actually change their mind?

        I’ve resorted to understanding their psychology. Like what assumptions are they not communicating when they share opinions? What life events pushed them to have a fearful/optimistic outlook? And then I tell them “it makes sense why you would feel this way” which sorta invites them to reconsider without being like “hey why do you think dumb things?”

  • Malica@lemmy.zip
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    23 days ago

    20% of people are wired this way and will seek hierarchy no matter what. Those 20% convince the morons to vote with them. That’s where we’re at.

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        22 days ago

        I don’t have time to look it up right now but this is scientific fact.

      • Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        23 days ago

        I don’t know, I would consider our hard-wiring to seek out social relationships or to love our children to be a part of what makes us human. (As part of a basket, in the sense that having four legs is part of what makes a dog a dog, but not all dogs have four legs.)

        Recognizing our wiring puts us in the best position to strategize how to work around it, if we want to. Like trying to not eat cookies from the pantry via willpower will always ultimately fail, but not having any cookies in the pantry has a good chance of preventing excessive cookie eating.

  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    What’s under that though? Is it another belief? Such as; some jobs are so horrible people must be forced into them? Or perhaps; life being told what to do is easier than having to decide? Or simply; I’d prefer to be cog in a great machine? Part of a team?

    Or maybe just, some jobs bad and good, only a few people are suited for them? Is it false meritocracy to hide the shame of having accepted plutocracy? Or perhaps an earnest acceptance of the game of Capital. Acceptance that ones own position must be due to ones own mistakes, and ergo, a superiors is due to their good choices? That kind of justice?

    What is it, and can we change their underlying belief?

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    Musk fanboys aren’t the only ones who love hierarchy. Just about everyone will agree with the phrase “someone needs to be in charge” regardless of politics.

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    23 days ago

    I’ll say that most people that like billionaires is only because they fantasize into becoming one by winning a lotto prize or by hustling. The same way I fantasize I’m a wizard, but I don’t expect any magical intervention to turn me into one. I just need to first find that talking toad.

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      23 days ago

      Look at it this way. One of my values is having the courage to help others. So, I would admire somebody who risked their life to go into a burning building and save somebody. I’m doubtful that I have the same courage, but I hope that I would. It’s something that I aspire to.

      In the same way, somebody who admires Musk has a value of “being rich”. They’re doubtful that they’ll ever be as rich as he is, but it’s something that they aspire to.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    23 days ago

    I saw an interview with a lady comparing Trump to megachurch preacher and it made perfect sense. You have these people giving their last dollars to a guy living in a mansion and flying in a private jet because that’s what god wants. They are conditioned since childhood to just accept that some people are there to exploit them and their purpose is to be exploited by them. Having leader like Trump makes perfect sense to them. It’s just conservative brain doing its usual thing.