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So she’s saying that her kids are useless?
No she’s saying she’s useless and stupid and thinks kids should be too
And the Uber will take them to right destination 99.9% of the times.
TBF I’ve probably gotten lost more times than that driving my own car.
I lose my way to the cornerstore opposite my building. My mind simply refuses to bother itself with spatial trivia.
Exactly! Learn those kids stuff ai can’t do! Send them to the mines!
sigh… how can one be so dumb? has to be a troll… right? pretty please.
The people who don’t respect the value of school generally performed very poorly in school.
We mature too late in life to realize thats the last time anyone will ever teach us for free.
Life is teaching you all the time (for free) if you but listen.
Especially if you’ve learned to learn, and have critical thinking, things schools should be teaching (but often avoid in favor of quickly outdated ‘job skills’ or similar because some political ideologies do better with the poorly educated).
They do have a point. School should be about learning and developing critical thinking skills rather than memorizing who the 30th president was.
I know my schooling had a ton of memorization. Funny to think about now that I know I have Aphantasia because I always excelled in math and science because they are less about memorization and more about learning a concept to apply.
They need to teach kids how to use AI. It’s like people that won’t let you use a calculator in math. “You aren’t always going to have a calculator in your pocket”
I’ve always been a big supporter of open book/note tests
There is no reason I should be able to recite as much of the Canterbury Tales as I can.
Facts are how you build up everything else. It pretty hard to reason about complex math if you don’t understand how to count to 100. It’s pretty hard to reason about how societies move in waves and cycles if you don’t memorize something about history.
I think people don’t understand that you don’t just start doing abstract work. You build it a bunch of facts that you memorize and then you can start building higher level things like patterns and abstractions.
I know this from trying to teach my child basic concepts like what money is. What exactly is a day. How magnet work. The entire concept of estimation. These are trivial to adults, but these are hard won concepts that were build from concrete ideas for my child.
We know this is necessary because of cultures that are missing whole concepts like particular colors. The idea of right and left. So on.
I got a bad grade in history class because I couldn’t remember exact dates, only rough timeframes, like “world war 2 ended 1945” but I couldn’t say “8th May 1945”. This kind of stuff happened a lot of times in many different classes in different ways.
Nope, this is a common thought amongst those impressed by AI. And I can relate coz when I was in school, no one would give a good answer to why I needed to do any arithmetics without a calculator.
As a math teacher, my suggestion to the students is during practice to try to do calculations without a calculator to invoke a bit of number sense so when they use calculators be able to notice in the result if they did a wrong input. It happens to input “14” instead of “41” . I feel like able to do mental arithmetic with double digit numbers can be helpful
I think it’s reactionary, too. A version of “anything to trigger the libs”. If so many people weren’t against AI, OOP might have taken a moment to think before they type. As it stands, they reached for the first hot argument to get their opinion out. And I don’t mean to absolve them from anything here, just analyzing.
The statement is dumb but I it does have a hint of true. With new technologies comes a new way of life and this should be reflected in education. The traditional educational system was created when no technologies existed and children and parents lifes were very different.
That’s why every kid has “ADHD”. They live in a different reality! siting down in a class for hours listening to a boring class and then having a test on what was said does not fill todays kids needs anymore. The global traditional.school system needs an urgent upgradeedit I said Global because it’s not a specific country problem
Realistically, schools were designed to provide a trainable workforce that could read well enough to learn new tasks and do enough math to make sure the factory machines were properly maintained.
Many people these days don’t read a single book after they get out of school. The AIs are just making things happen faster.
From a broader perspective “school” has been a thing since before Socrates and humanity pendulums between “a broad education is the foundation for a strong populace” and “we need a giant pool of disposable labor”.
And the US public education philosophy is similarly inconsistent. At the earliest it was Puritans who wanted everyone to be able to read the Bible for themselves and so pushed for literacy. At times it has been guided specifically by the business economy but it’s inaccurate to say that schools were designed to produce factory workers.
Yeah, hell modern universal public education was partly a result of the working class fighting like hell for it
Modern universal public eduction has its roots in prussian model and the idea was very much to make effective and loyal workforce. Im not saying modern education has the same ulterior motivations, but things like standarized curricula and grading are coming from there.
IIRC the goal wasn’t to have a loyal workforce, but to have an army that isn’t dependent on a small number of elites.
Basically “we won’t stop with the death of our officers, our soldiers can step up to the occasion”.
Which is a good philosophy outside of the military! That’s the same thing the Puritans wanted, for people to not be reliant on a few to do their thinking for them.
On the other hand, a lot of good ideas ended up getting co-opted to serve the State.
I don’t think the IWW was planning on ahving kids learn the Pledge of Allegiance.
Nor did the inventor of the pledge expect it to be used for anti communism.
But ultimately I don’t want us to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If the public education system goes away the proletariat will suffer for it. Fascists are attempting to move the Overton window towards that. The solution as I see it is re-examining, reimagining, and reforming public education to serve the masses. But a big part of that is reconvincing the proletariat that education is valuable in its own right rather than just as job training.
If everyone has one of these “automobiles” do people ever walk or run anymore
I don’t have one. I walk everywhere. I am both privileged and in constant danger.
Yes, but for recreation. For fun.
Oh Emmett
Not really, actually
“Don’t let AI write anything for you. Writing is to cognitive health what steps are to physical health”
(via)
We can’t have people forming their own ideas.
Only idiots read books, smart people think for themselves!
tsk tsk
I warned ya! Didn’t I warn ya? That colored chalk was forged by Lucifer himself.
People reliant on LLMs are just participating in an any% dementia speedrun. It’s a social experiment, of sorts.
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” — Frank Herbert in Dune, 1965.
Relevant as ever
When they filmed the movie ‘Van Helsing’ in Prague they needed one hundred couples who knew how to ballroom dance. Everyone thought this was going to be difficult to set up, but it turned out that literally every extra they hired could waltz. Back in Soviet days, the country didn’t have a lot of money for sports equipment, but every school had a record player. They taught the kids ballroom dancing for the Physical Education requirement.
We went to dance classes all throughout I think eight grade and learned a few of the classical dances. Waltz, Foxtrott, Cha-Cha, Tango. That’s Eastern Germany in the early 2000s.
Now I’m imagining Mel Brooks doing a black-and-white German Expressionist scene of nine year olds in tuxedos and gowns doing the tango.
Dance classes in a normal German secondary school? Wow, we never had that. We had a private dance school for couple dancing in town, it was popular at about age 13.
My middle school in the us made us learn to waltz in gym class. I’m ass at it, but it was fun.
Street clothes or gym shorts?
Every kid in Scotland is taught how to ceilidh. Some of us even learn to enjoy it!
What the fuck man I got told off for six years because I didn’t know how to jump rope
I mean I also got publicly humiliated by my inability to run far or fast so often it fucked with my head. But we had 6 months of learning to dance before returning to the shame gauntlet
Ah so, it’s not only Finland where the point of Physical Education is to humiliate all the joy of athletics out of the vast majority of generations of people.
Except the up and coming hockey players the washed up sportsman/woman who was hired to teach as a sort of social program gives all their attention to. Guess those have different sports abroad.
But really it seems so efficient that the state makes schools focus on competition, subsidize competitive team sports heavily, and hire subsidized people from professional sports to further the subsidized hobbies of the maybe future professionals.
The end result is billions in subsidies and that most people who can’t hack it professionally just quit sports alltogether in their teens or even earlier.
I just quite can’t see how are they actually trying to go public health first with which the tax expenses are excused.
Yeah I get what my schools were going for. And it was private school, so while taxes pay for actually a worse version by all accounts, my parents paid for mine.
Like, they tried to have a variety of things within budget. We did calisthenics, we did sports like basketball, flag gridiron football, and even occasionally some international football, we had American classics like dodgeball. In high school we even did pickleball and weight lifting.
But at the end of the day I got winded after a few meters of running and so running a mile (1069m) as is something most people were expected to be able to do was an exercise in me exhausting myself and slowly trudging along after everyone else finished. Fortunately I’ve always been really strong for my exercise level so for strength type stuff I regained some of the dignity I lost being lapped by fat smokers.
The thing is, nothing will ever make running something I’m willing to do if I can help it. I get the runners high and still hate running. And it would be an expensive disaster if schools did my preferred cardio of bikes or hikes. But also they didn’t even teach us proper running form. They just assumed “people know how to run, and the weird nerd won’t be athletic anyways”. Fortunately I’ve become fairly athletic in adulthood (though I fell out for a year and a half and am now hurting getting back into it)
We got line dancing -_-
Just as the Lord Jesus commanded to Noah
My elementary school PE did a couple weeks every year where we did square dancing and line dancing. I guess that’s the southeastern US coming in. Sometimes we did some other more traditional English dance where the boys and girls would be in rows facing each other where there were some set steps and then the couple at one end would dance down between the lines to the other end, there would be more steps and then the next couple would move, and so on. It was like something out of a Jane Austen movie.
You can thank Henry Ford’s racism for that.
No, really. He hated seeing his employees dance to jazz (which he blamed on ‘the Jews’, because of course he did), so much so that he pushed to have “proper” dances taught in public schools, dances that were old-fashioned even in his time.
I learned square dancing in high school in Ohio. I was the only boy in a class of all girls, because I had broken my wrist and couldn’t play basketball. I would love to tell the story of how this helped me get girls, but I was much too big of a loser to take advantage of the situation.
Now circle together and do-si-do
Is this where I subscribe for more Van Helsing facts?
Not just Soviet days. Today, it’s expected (although not mandatory) to attend a course on ballroom dance and etiquette around the age of 16. It’s usually not in school PE classes, but evening lessons in dedicated ballrooms or community centers with professional lecturers.
There are also similar courses for adults commonly available. It’s considered a fun hobby for couples.
To graduate from my (American) high school, you needed a given number of gym points, and you were given one gym point per day of gym class. But, I learned, you earned one and a half gym points per day of dance class! I figured this was a great scam: I already hated gym class, so I’d get my points out the way faster.
Fast forward a couple of months, and I’m working harder than I ever was in gym class, I’m enjoying myself more, and I’m hanging out with girls in leotards first thing every school day. There was literally no downside.
Clearly, the system working as intended.
More like:
Claude solve this for me
It goes in the square hole.
Thanks Claude. Still doesn’t seem to be working though as the corners on the object are in a different place to the corners on the hole. It’s like they’re rotated. Can you break this down for me, step by step? Or is this impossible?
Sheesh. Spoilers, man.
Although let’s be honest, fuck gym class
Now, there’s an exercise class I could really get behind.
Obligatory
Gods I love that movie. Ahead of its time in some ways maybe…
“Bit early to be imposing gender roles on it, don’t you think?”
And the Crimson Red Assurance bit 😂
Banned in Ireland on initial release! 🙏
Have you seen how fat kids are now? If anything they need double gym class.
It doesn’t work
“Hey ChatGPT, was the American Civil War about slavery?” Having that fact stored in your head is inherently different than looking it up. Knowing that America has a history of racism and the south have a history of revisionism is very important. This is why some gullible folks really do believe confederate monuments are just about heritage despite being built in during the civil rights movement. It’s not the sort of thing you’d think to “ask AI” at all if you didn’t already have some of the groundwork. An education is important.
So funny to be like AI can retrieve facts in .3 seconds. First of all, no it can’t. Second of all, can’t search engines do this? Haven’t they been doing this for years? Like AI is slower, less accurate and more wasteful than duckduckgo. Shouldn’t all her points have been true years ago?
they’re sending kids to school to learn things that are already in books! and if they wanted to know them they could just learn them from a book! why even bother to learn from a book when they could learn it from a book?!
Throw the book at 'em!
Duckduckgo uses Ai now too right? Better use startpage, it’s AI free and privacy based under eu law.
It has a kill switch for all AI features. It also has a toggle for AI generated images in image search
I’m not fond of the results ddg gives me. Startpage results are more like Google used to be back in the days when it was a proper search engine. Like over 10 / 15 years ago.
The results are definitely terrible, mostly due to the AI slop sites that have been popping up in the last 3 years. I’ll give startpage a go, but I think we are already in dead internet theory territory. I’ve also heard good things about Kagi
I think we are already in dead internet theory territory.
Yup, I believe you’re right with that one, and that there’s no return now with the current progress of AI. The internet is broken and it doesn’t look like the ones responsible for it have any intension of fixing that. They only will make everything much worse.
forgive her, she’s been outsourcing all mental activity for a while.
she wrote a comment that a bot could have written better
Who’s to say it didn’t?
AI “retrieves” facts? Not my experience.
I was personally not able to reproduce this https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/52tYaGQgaEPvZaHTb/was-barack-obama-still-serving-as-president-in-december but it should still provide an illustration of what AI’s ideas of retrieving facts looks like.
In my experience Microsoft Copilot is wildly inaccurate about facts describing aspects of Microsoft software products like Teams, or even Microsoft Copilot itself.
All AI does is generate plausible-sounding text. It doesn’t care about whether it is true or false.
I am not generally anti-AI, nor generally pro-AI. There are good uses of AI and bad uses. For example I used AI to generate my profile picture here; the creation of art (as long as there is human review) is one of the best uses of AI I can think of…
But asking it for factual information and expecting it to be correct, and making decisions based on it? Anyone who does that deserves all negative consequences it can have.
i recently got access to the paid version of Claude at my job. they wanted us to automate some routine tasks, fine. i had it make something, then asked how i could save it as a skill for future use. it said it doesn’t have skills or macros. i said what, yes there are skills right there in the customize section. it came back with the usual “you’re right! let me check… oh yes indeed there is such a function. my bad. here’s more information from the web: …”
like… oh my god. imagine if this were an unpaid intern. they would be immediately shot into the atmosphere. but instead we pay for this shit.
Yes, such things can happen… I once asked an LLM a few questions about me (under my real name) that was publicly available on the Internet (i.e. should be in its training data). It answered a simple yes-or-no question wrongly. Then I asked it a followup question, which it answered more correctly, but the answer contradicted that wrong answer and it went “this seems to contradict my previous answer that…”.
but instead we pay for this shit.
Yes, but not nearly as much. :(
… Isn’t less wrong where the zizians came out of
I just looked at tha woman’s twitter and it’s an absolute nightmare. AI really makes some stupid people think they are smart.
Or is it just some AI bot trying to promote AI?
Very possible. The whole purpose of the account is to grift. White trash looking woman claiming to have financial freedom due to AI.
