I encourage this type of education. Kids need to be held accountable for their actions, just like everyone else.
Normalize humility
rip bozo
I get it: teens suck, kids these days have it too easy, snowflake PC blah blah blah.
But if a child has felt it important enough to report to their parents that a teacher is calling them names, then that child is not learning in a safe environment. The child has been told directly by their teacher that they are not viewed as intelligent or capable. That is not conducive to positive learning outcomes, or mental health.
I agree that Bozo is a very light term, and if the relationship between the teacher and student were close, it could be seen as a joke between people with a mutual respect, but we don’t know the state of the relationship here. The teacher could be a complete asshole, and this is the fifth time they have singled out the student in this way.
People here are saying “toughen up!” “The real world won’t be so kind!”, but I would argue that that is a failing of adults in the real world. Why are we teaching kids that the world is terrible and the only way to survive is to become just as bad? I’d rather teach students to value each other’s strengths, and to not accept the hatred and sadness of other people.
Agreed.
And the fact that this teacher is sharing screenshots of private conversations with parents online makes me think it’s not such a bad idea if the principal does get involved, just to make sure everything is okay in the class.
I don’t think we have enough information either way. Could be the kid told their parent cracking up about it and the parent freaked out.
Or like a student who basically made up few other things about my aunt, his teacher, because he just didn’t like her. My aunt called him imbecile for distracting the class (or something similar like idiot) and the kid went home and complained to parents by making a story that my aunt has affair with other teacher, he claimed to have seen them kissing in the hallway. And my aunt called him imbecile because he confronted my aunt about it. Parents were obviously livid and demanded my aunt to be fired.
District disciplinary committee had to review six months of hallway footage, also footage in the class where there was no confrontation between teacher and student. Before giving my aunt clean chit. She was suspended for a week, she was compensated for it later. Thank unions.
Anyway I’m not speculating weather the kid deserved it or not, maybe my aunt was unfair in language, but kids sometimes make shit up with their parents. And we don’t enough information from the post about the full context.
Kids are dickheads like. They need to be taught respect early on or they are properly doomed in life. I dont understand when this became controversial.
We also don’t know if the child was actually distressed or took it as a joke and was perhaps just telling their parent because they thought it was funny.
There are better ways than calling names.
Ok bozo
100% bozo energy from the person above you.
Yeah, you also have to add an adjective for more power.
Like stupid bozo
Yea I have never heard a story of someone who was failing at school, but got their shit together when an inspirational teacher called them a name.
“unacceptable language”
i doubt this parent’s gripe is less about the word “bozo” as much as it’s about their child’s behavior being criticized.
accountability is not abuse.
Maybe they’re a family of clowns, and they consider “Bozo” to be a racial epithet against their people.
Maybe they’re followers of a clown religion where Clown, Bozo the is considered a holy figure? It’d be like taking the Lord’s name in vain!
Its gotta be this one. I’ve got three members of my family with registered clown personas, and they’d be happy as clams to be called bozo, but correct you to their actual stage name.
Never happened, but still funny.
Post office clerks put up signs saying “Position closed”
And secretaries turn off typewriters and put on their coats
Bloody love that song
What?
A friend of mine is a teacher, and he told me the following story a while back:
A student had an oral exam and was so nervous that he couldn’t get a word out. So my friend coordinated with the “exam committee” to give the student a second chance, which, fortunately, was possible that very same day thanks to some persuasion among his colleagues. After my friend worked with the student to help him regain his confidence, the second attempt at the exam went better - the student was still very nervous, but overall, it was enough to barely pass the exam. The student was absolutely thrilled, and the examiners were reasonably satisfied.
My friend thought to himself: All right, that turned out well after all - but unfortunately, no: The student’s parents sued the school because they were dissatisfied with their son’s exam grade. The lawsuit was based on the claim that the exam regulations weren’t strictly followed, since the student had to take the exam twice (with different exam topics, so the other students wouldn’t be at a disadvantage, of course). The parents won the lawsuit, and the court ruled that the oral exam must be repeated.
So now the completely dismayed student had to take it again. The examiners were the same ones who, despite the absurdity of his parents’ demands, remained well-disposed toward him. However, the student was understandably even more nervous the third time - so much so that he once again couldn’t get a shower single word out. This time, my friend’s hands were tied, since everything had to be completely correct from an administrative standpoint. So, unfortunately, the examiners had no choice but to fail the nervous student, meaning that, thanks to his parents, he ultimately did not receive his diploma.
So here too: insane parents who ruined their own son’s graduation because of their unrealistic expectations.
It’s a real shame, but unfortunately that’s how it went all thanks to the student’s crazy parents…
That poor kid is probably so abused by the parents to make him so anxious.
It happens so much sadly. I remember a classmate of mine getting a 9 out of 10 on an exam and when he heard that he started stabbing himself with the pointy end of a compass because it wasn’t a 10 out of 10. Apparently the poor guy was chastised at home if he didn’t get a 9,5 at the least.
What country is this where you have to pass an oral exam to graduate and parents can sue schools over exam results?
Germany.
However, the complaint was not directed at the grade itself, but rather at a violation of the examination regulations, which do not allow for a retake of an oral exam simply because the student is too nervous to pass. That is why my friend was unable to secure another exception on the student’s third attempt - everything unfortunately had to be strictly correct.
I don’t teach myself, but I’ve heard from various friends that lawsuits over the most absurd things are definitely a thing in Germany, too. As a result, teachers have far fewer freedoms than they did ten years ago - and also face much more bureaucratic red tape to document everything in a way that reduces the risk of lawsuits.
I’m not really familiar with that area myself, but unfortunately, I can easily imagine how frustrating it must be for the teachers.
That kid must have been livid with his parents.
And I bet he’s too terrified to tell them.
I get the distinct impression being yelled at by his parents are why he was so nervous of speaking in public. It was the case for me as a kid
That’s a bingo. Same here.
Probably didn’t say a word about it
He’ll get his payback when he never comes back and goes through the legal loopholes to change his identity.
Fear makes for interesting motivations.
Idk but IB regulations are kinda like this, and ive heard of people actually taking other students/teachers to court over shit. IB is the most fucked up school you could choose ever, do not choose it(speaking from experience). So if your child wants to go on an international line its much better to get some government scolarship kindof thing if thats possible.
I went to an IB school 25+ years ago, didn’t seem that crazy then. I’m curious how time has changed this
I’m very curious with a vested interest, as my young’un is going to a school with both IB and other types of qualifications on offer to study. How is IB flawed in comparison to, say, GCSE or A levels? Would value any insight.
My partner and many of her friends did IB in the late 2000s and every single one has trauma from the workload and culture of expected achievement and it doesn’t seem to have benefited their careers at all. (I did Running Start instead, a Washington State early college program, and had a very positive experience)
I did GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) from fourth through eighth grade and went with an AP-heavy high school (graduated in 2010) instead of an IB school in the district, and I’d say it left similar scars.
There were aspects that I think were beneficial, such as specialized math tutoring and more hands-on projects, but god the pressure and workload was truly damaging at such a young age. Add undiagnosed ADHD, and you’ve got an 11 year old self-harming as a method to stay focused during the hours and hours of daily homework.
I developed a different coping strategy. When I figured out I was smarter than everyone else my age I simply stopped doing homework and coasted on high test scores. That worked from age 8 to 16 when I had to contend with the fact that I had never learned how to actually study or manage my time. Pretty easy to slip through the cracks when you’re well-behaved and the district didn’t have any money for advanced learning programs anyway~
I dont know about the american/uk system, it might be better there. I went to the international line in europe and it was a complete disharmony between how the teachers thought they should teach and what kind of teaching IB required. Theres also a lot of shady stuff with IB, like you can basically pay for an expensive tutor and completely coincidentally they will teach you the exact right knowledge to get a good score on the exams. The problem with this is that if the exams dont have a certain subject in them that year, the tutor wont teach that. Basically if you want your kid to be a successfull businessman or whatever, and you have a lot of money, 100% send em to IB, but if you want them to think for themselves, theres very probably a better option. Once again this mainly applies to my experiences in europe, there are many countries here where IB is a joke, like in hungary nobody goes there cause you have to pay, get worse education, and dont really have any oppurtunities going forward with it. Id say go ask other people but some of them will be absolute IB shills for no reason, and others will say its the antichrist itself. Also from what i understand, you do have to pay for education in uk to get somewhere right? Then id guess IB isnt that bad cause youre paying either way for school.
You can pay for better education ie a private school but it’s very expensive (in our area, about 3-4k a term) and the state schools are almost as good.
Also, we want our child to grow up in the ‘real’ world, in a more diverse environment, worldviews, cultures etc. We could, just about afford to go private with a lot of cutbacks and scrimping… but we’ve thought about it a lot and would prefer he goes state.
They offer both academic and vocational, both the traditional (age 11-16) GCSEs, and the IB, as well as pathways to vocational trades. I know absolutely nothing about the IB side.
Id say probably stick to the local schools and try to get your kid into an erasmus program? You can save up the money you would spend on private and have them travel europe, its a really eye opening experience(i havent done it but have friends who have).
I took the IB and IGCSE. Trust me, I almost killed myself during the IGCSE. No such problems during the IB.
*Edit: I payed basically nothing for the IB diploma in Germany, it was from 11 to 12 grade, so not the “IB learners” thing people do in primary etc. The work load was a lot and I was taking college courses on the side, as well as creating a music portfolio outside of school, and applying to American colleges. But I managed pretty well. No trauma from the work-load for me. YMMV though, some people here seem to report very bad experiences. I should note that the IB was much more work than my first two years of college.
For context, I was very dyslexic (but had compensated pretty well for things like reading and writing) and was very academically interested, but the IGCSE curriculum is the most anti-dyslexia and anti-academia curriculum you could take. It basically tries to make everyone into good little government puppets. All the exams are about short-term memorization and surface-level understanding, the math course is laughably easy, drama is a farce, and English is genuinely going to make your kid dummer.
The IB is also very flawed, when I was taking it, and also today, as I am regularly told by a friend who teaches the IB and grades IB exams for English Literature in Germany. But for me, back then, as a student, it was infinitely better; suddenly I was independent, could pursue things academically (except in physics, the IB doesn’t do the sciences very well IMHO), etc.
But what I have come to realize is that this was very influenced by my IB teachers (same school as where I took the IGCSE though, teachers just had more freedom, were more qualified, etc). Ironically, they often complained about the IB and not having enough flexibility, the exams not being representative, etc. But the IB was still leagues better than the IGCSE (or, god forbid, the Abitur).
I took philosophy, for example, from a wonderful, wonderful teacher, who taught us everything without a text book. Instead, she used her expertise (a doctorate from upenn) and the original texts. Everyone in the class got at least a five, most people who cared, got sevens, myself included. To this day I have not had a better class (we were, admittedly, only five students, which does help).
I don’t think the IB is intrinsically good or intrinsically bad, unlike the IGCSE, which is meant to brain-wash you, and completely and utterly destroy those who don’t want to be brain-washed.
The thing with the IB is going to be the teachers and school. Also note that some of the exams, back when I took them, were kinda random. Like getting a seven (the highest possible grade, fyi) in English or German Lit was a little unpredictable. I can only hope that’s improved.
For context, I also improved hugely academically when entering the IB. I was already interested in higher education, and was taking college classes during the IGCSE (because it sucked so much), but was still roughly a B minus student. Going into the IB I became a top-scoring student within one semester. I graduated with a 43/45, which I don’t think my IGCSE examiners nor myself in 10th grade would have believed. I have a lot to thank my IB teachers for, and ultimately I am very glad a took the IB. CAS ducking sucks though.
On the first point, it might have been a combined grade so that the fail is based on doing badly in multiple components. Eg if you take a French exam here, it’s
- 20% aural
- 55% written
- 25% oral
We only hear about the oral component because of the interesting story, but decent chance the student was a bozo and bombed the other components too.
Very strange that the second attempt wasn’t simply stricken from the record if it wasn’t allowed at all. If second attempts weren’t allowed, why give them a third attempt? I wonder if there was a proper way to get a second attempt that wasn’t followed, like you have to apply to the state exam body rather than handling it in house.
This appears to be the reasoning: The first and second attempts were invalidated because both were inadmissible under the examination regulations (strictly speaking, the student should have failed on the first attempt). Therefore, a new exam date was scheduled, on which the student then failed for the same reason, he should have failed on the first attempt (the exam regulations do not provide for exceptions due to nervousness, but rather stipulate that the examinee fails in such cases because his performance is insufficient to pass).
So only the third attempt was counted, which meant the student did not receive his diploma, since he would have had to pass that oral exam to do so - which, unfortunately, he did not after his second attempt was striken from the record.
My friend had simply tried to appeal to human leniency, which is strictly speaking not permitted under official rules. It’s quite possible that the first attempt wasn’t even officially recorded, since the student should have already failed. Unfortunately, I don’t know what exactly was recorded for the first attempt.
Apparently, however, the judge or the responsible administrative official at the Ministry of Education had at least some sympathy, since they had the entire exam retaken. But it’s also quite possible that this is the standard procedure when inconsistencies arise regarding the exam regulations. Administratively, it’s probably way easier than initiating an detailed “investigation” of the case.
But yeah, all in all: pretty strange.
Edit: I think it is certainly possible to reschedule an exam, but I assume that a doctor’s note must be submitted to prove that the examinee is unable to take the exam for health reasons.
The student might have been able to get such a note, but since this seems to be an ongoing problem, it would probably have been nothing more than a temporary reprieve.
Had to look up the derivation ‘for fun’. - 1920, “muscular low-IQ male,” originally appearing in boxing slang (compare bimbo).
Apparently the derivation goes back to vaudeville and stereotypes about immigrants:
“Bozo” was in fact a personal name among immigrants to the United States from Serbian and Croatian regions. It seems likely that vaudeville’s Bozo originated from this immigrant name and stereotypes surrounding eastern Europeans (akin to the use of palooka to refer to an oafish boxer, probably related to the Polish name Paluka).
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/wordroutes/where-does-bozo-come-from-lets-not-clown-around/
I don’t believe this with the sole reason being “surely they wouldn’t cry to their parents about being called a bozo”
The kid may not have cried about it, but may have only made a passing remark, possibly not even to the parents, who may have overheard and overreacted. It may or may not have happened, but its totally believable.
In what world is it OK to text a teacher? Like how does this person even know their teacher’s phone number? This conversation is exactly what parent teacher conferences are for.
It is a very expensive private school. Probably got different rules.
The majority of my daughter’s teachers in primary and middle school gave out their numbers. Not all, and it wasn’t a requirement, but the majority.
Not that I ever used them. Teachers work hard enough, they don’t need to be available 24x7.
That’s beyond strange to me. The only time I’ve ever used my personal phone for work purposes was the one job I had where they paid for it.
Often there are apps specific for school, which I think is totally reasonable. (Although I’d like the schools to use less proprietary software and more open).
I agree, it seems odd; however, I will state that my kid’s school provides an app that allows you to communicate in both directions with teachers. They also use the app to make general announcements like closure for snow, etc. My wife is generally the one doing non-in-person communicating so I haven’t actually used the app (I only recently learned it exists), but hopefully the teacher can filter notifications outside of school hours.
Were I a teacher, I’d be glad to have a way to communicate without sharing personal information.
this is the primary way I interact with my kids teachers, and they’re in public school. we use an app, so the parents don’t have access to the staffs personal phone numbers, so there’s really no response unless the staff member is available to read and respond as part of their job.
Hard to buy aha, why would parents have the phone numbers of school teachers?
small private schools
Just American things I guess
I can’t imagine where he learned to be an entitled little shit…
How dare you try to humanise my horrid spawn!
While damaging the bop zone can be serious, the double vinyl, sand filled base and bounce back action of the bozo allows it to endure years of abuse.
Its like when i was in high school when people would say “aww feck” and teachers would swear jar us, or tell us off. So everybody just said fuck instead, if your gonna bitch about us “swearing” and using alternate words to comply with your “appropriate language” we might as well make it worth the 25 cents
well… I agree you should just swear.
