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    I wouldn’t call them “allies”, this is confusing when you talk about fascists. Call them “his axis of evil” instead.

    No one says “Hitler fought with allies against Brittain”. Since we’re in a new world war, let’s be clear about who are the allies and who are the axis.

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        If he’s literally fucked without consent, what makes people think he wouldn’t figuratively fuck the people collectively without it too?

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      One that do-nothing Americans have done nothing but tacitly encourage.

      Get off your asses, you fucking cowards. Though, this is like the thirtieth red line. You let all the others be crossed without lifting a finger- I have zero confidence you’ll start now.

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          Yes I moved all investment out of the USA and stopped buying american products as much as possible. Fuck USA and it’s Epstein class supporting citizens !

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          I’m assuming you’re American, because it’s very on-brand for Americans to expect someone else to fix their shit for them while they sit by and do nothing (thereby making it everyone else’s problem)

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            You said:

            One that do-nothing Americans have done nothing but tacitly encourage.

            Get off your asses, you fucking cowards. Though, this is like the thirtieth red line.

            So you don’t get to claim “on-brand american” exceptionalism “expecting someone else to fix their shit.”

            You threw the first shots, I quipped back. This isn’t “Someone else needs to fix our problems,” this is “If you’re not doing anything to fix everybody’s problem, then shut the fuck up about all the people you think aren’t doing enough.” You have no moral superiority, so get off your fucking pedestal.

            Plenty of USians are doing all they can to resist. Just because it isn’t enough doesn’t mean no one is trying. So why don’t you direct your anger at maga specifically, instead of all the powerless discontents who are doing everything they can despite the hopelessness

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      I highly doubt it. All evidence so far points to most Americans either shrugging or actively supporting this and a minority of Americans either complaining about it but doing nothing or organizing yet another lawful protest that’s not going to change anything.

      Trump has been getting away with everything, because Americans accept it. And yes, I know, it’s not every individual American, but as a whole… they do accept his crap. He wouldn’t still be president otherwise.

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    So, is our military going to need to step up to ensure a fair election next year, and also prevent Trump from taking office again? That is, assuming he, A) lives that long, and B) somehow pulls this off. Isn’t that why they are required to swear an oath to the Constitution, and not the President? Does that actually hold any water?

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      The military? Probably not…

      But you might get a federal agency already cosplaying as a para-military group to overlook the election and make sure you’re voting correctly. 👍

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        The governor of every state has the right to call out that state’s National Guard in the event of emergencies, and it is my sincere hope the states start to do it pre-emptively, NOW, even via state legislation, so that the NG are already under orders to protect the polls by the time November rolls around.

        Without the NG, he has nothing tested and true but ICE, and their numbers are shit compared to the National Guard.

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          ICE’s training is also nonexistent. The only thing they’re effective at is terrorizing and occasionally murdering unarmed civilians.

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      Look, if the U.S. Military were going to uphold the Constitution he already wouldn’t be President anymore.

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        Eh. I mean he is clearly shitting all over norms, blatantly corrupt, most likely treasonous, and robbing the fucking treasury blind, but all of that stuff is Congress’s responsibility to hold him accountable and draw lines and they have failed.

        I don’t know if you can point to any part of the constitution that he has clearly violated. But the two term limit is codified. The supreme clutter doesn’t need to weigh in, the stupidest motherfucker in the country can do the math to see it’s unconstitutional (they might not care, but they can see it).

        If folks want to toss the constitution, great, they just tossed the basis of authority for the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court. Guess we get to writing a new one.

        I hesitate to declare this is the line he won’t be allowed to cross, because he’s sailed over every other one. But I really think the entire system of government is shot if he does this. We would certainly be a failed state at that point, where right now we are kinda Schrödinger’s Failed State. We may already be, but we’ll have to measure it post Trump.

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          You can’t point to something he’s clearly violated? What? The most obvious and clear example is the emoluments clause, but it’s easy to add in the first and fourth amendments. (Preference given to Christianity, and search and seizure without probable cause, as examples.)

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            Let me clarify my point. Those are all abstract things that require Congress or the Supreme Court to step in and draw lines. We’ve had in god we trust as the national motto for decades. There is a gray area there that can be argued and low-engagement voters just see it as noise.

            But everyone can count to three. Everyone knows you get two terms and no more. Everyone knows you have to win an election to be President. It is unequivocal. Inarguable. So I think it carries weight in a way that those other violations of the constitution have not.

            I never meant to create ambiguity around his illegal actions, just draw attention to how this act would be distinct from the rest.

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          the stupidest motherfucker in the country can do the math to see it’s unconstitutional

          It’s not at all unconstitutional for Trump to enjoy a third term as president. All the Constitution says is that he can’t be elected a third time. There’s nothing that says he cannot run as VP and then succeed into POTUS once Vance steps down.

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            That’s not true. If a vice president assumes the office, that still counts as a term even though he’s not elected. I also believe there is a stipulation that no one disqualified from holding the presidency can be VP, though idk what is spelled out and what is just interpretation.

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            Sounds like you’ve read Amendment 22:

            No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

            But you definitely haven’t read Amendment 12:

            But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

            No, the bullshit technicality he’s trying to pull out of his ass is still unconstitutional.

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              But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

              You really think this is bulletproof?

              Have Trump run for Speaker. Hell, have him appointed as secretary of agriculture and have the people above resign. Its really not that difficult when your constitution is held together with bubblegum and pinky promises.

              There is nothing in the constitution that says he cant enjoy a third term.

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          I mean he’s clearly broken the first amendment more than a few times by ordering the government to pressure organizations over their right to free speech.

          Also, constitutional problems with his deportation bullshit. Which he’s been ordered not to do, and yet they’re still doing it.

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          It’s very important to make the distinction between Congress failing to hold him accountable and declining to. In the first case Congress is ineffective. In the second, and current situation, it is willfully inept. Big difference.

          I’m getting tired of all these assholes calling Americans cowards for not rioting in the streets every day and erecting a guillotine on the ellipse! They tried that during the George Floyd fallout, and the right was quite successful in vilifying them. It was only the glaring racism of Trump’s first term that revitalized BLM. His second term has effectively quashed that as well, somehow.

          The US population is effectively a hostage, and this started long before Trump. Their livlihoods are financially bound to their employment, which is precarious at best. I’ve said it elsewhere and I’ll say it many more times: US citizens, particularly the ones in the upper-middle class are going to have to be willing to die. It’s that simple. If the population “rises up” like all the internet idiots want them to, Trump will implement the Insurrection Act ASAP. The aforementioned willfully inept Congress is highly unlikely to stop him. That’s going to result in one or both of a lot of dead citizens or a civil war.

          All of this brings me to the midterm elections. Americans are facing the shit sandwich of the current criminal and his willing accomplices in Congress, and the Democrats who:

          • Aside from 2 weak funding fights, have refused to act as an opposition party in anywhere near the same manner as the GOP when they’re in the minority.
          • Are largely funded by the same authoritarians friendly billionaires and tech bros.
          • Are unlikely to behave like an opposition party even if the manage to win back both houses of Congress, which is not super likely.

          I think a lot of Americans are hoping things improve after the midterms, and I hope they’re right. I don’t think its going to happen, but I think plenty of people are looking for a reason to not risk their livelihoods, or lives. And that’s what its going to be. This criminal has no care for anyone but himself. He has no compassion or empathy. He sees US citizens the same way the worst Kings and Emperors of old did: as expendable. If they get “uppity,” he will not lose a wink of sleep ordering the military, National Guard, ICE, police forces, or any armed body he can control to open fire on them. Whether they will or not is a massive question most rational people don’t want to see asked.

          The US is effectively being run by a mad king, and whatever safeguards used to be in place for such a situation are either complicit, or ineffectual (ie, the courts). People are really hoping that a Dem “wave” in the midterms will somehow fix something. Like I said, I hope they’re right.

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            I keep getting amused by how for three years USians cried that Russians should’ve rioted and ousted Putin, and now for the past year “it’s complicated”.

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              Well, anyone saying Russians should vote Putin out aren’t paying attention. Their elections haven’t been legit since he rose to power. As for why they haven’t kicked him out, it actually is complicated.

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            We are effectively a dictatorship right now and the only thing that can reverse that is if Trump fails to act fast enough or acts so fast he gets heavy pushback. This far they have been effective at letting the most right-wing elements dominate the media so by the time they do crazy shit the people have already sort of absorbed the idea and it doesn’t seem outlandish.

            He can ignore the courts in the event that they act fast enough to matter. He controls the military and can simply blockade polling locations, cut off power, etc. He can at least fuck with an election to the point where the ordinary safeguards against vote fraud can’t be ensured. He has all the tools needed to end democracy here.

            The question is whether enough people will be complicit. Speaker Johnson will just declare he hasn’t read the news until the coup is complete. But will none of the freedom-loving conservatives think twice about throwing away freedom? Epstein is creating cracks. It would be easy for Trump to fuck up and overplay his hand, but unfortunately he will win unless he makes an error.

            But he also needs to move fairly fast. There is a lot of inertia in the way the system is built and if he moves too slowly, it’s game over for him (well it’s two years of playing defense). It takes time to replace everyone with sycophants.

            I’m optimistic. I’m also 70 miles from Canada, if worse comes to worst.

            US citizens, particularly the ones in the upper-middle class are going to have to be willing to die

            I’m not some kind of super-patriot, but I’m a former soldier. I swore an oath to protect my country from enemies foreign and domestic, and that… weighs on me, despite how easy it would be to just enjoy old white guy status. I’m also old and out of shape and I have no illusions how it will end if it comes to that. But I’ve also lived a good life. If that’s the end to which I’m fated… we can only do what we can in the situation we find ourselves in. Sometimes there is no winning scenario, you just do what you must.

            Are there more like me? I don’t know. My wife would let the country burn if it kept her family safe. I don’t know anyone else thinking about things (aloud) the way I do and maybe they will let the world burn, too. But I won’t. In 40 years I’ll be dead one way or another, and 40 years later my life won’t even be a memory. And the only thing that will exist of me is whatever has rippled out into the world from my actions. I won’t have the failure of America be my only enduring legacy. That said, there is time and runway before that becomes inevitable, and I have hope.

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        Well if we want to really go into constitutional interp, the military has no power to remove a sitting president.

        But if elections do not occur a person doesn’t continue to be the president, additionally a 3rd term is banned by the constitution.

        If Trump were to “cancel” elections, a power he doesn’t even have, the law is clear. He would still lose the presidency. It would then pass to the speaker of the house per the constitutional line of succession.

        At that point the military would have a choice to make.

        Of course these are big ifs, laws only matter if they are followed. And this scenario requires the law to be broken to even occur. Shits bad

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          The military literally takes an oath to uphold the Constitution.

          Donald Trump is wiping his ass with the Constitution. There couldn’t be anything more Contritutional for the military to do.

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        dictators fear most is a strong military that can initate a coup de tat anytime, thats why almost all countries with a dictator have very weak militaries, but a strong well funded secret police state.

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      Does that actually hold any water?

      Apparently not as they’re all having fun bombing Iran without congress’s approval.

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        Every single person in the military swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

        Domestic enemies like Donald Trump pose a much greater threat to our country than any conventional combatant with a gun or missile - the military is already oath-bound to engage him the same way they do any other enemy.

        The inaction from them so far doesn’t paint a very promising picture regarding their willingness to actually do what’s right to protect our country; but we also don’t need the entire military to unite against that traitor: we just need a single one of them with the right training to apply through skills.

        Servicemen and women: please actually do your job.

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          you obviously have no idea what “do your job” means here… military are trained to kill, do you really want them to “do their job” in US streets?

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            you obviously have no idea what “do your job” means here…

            Don’t conflate ‘doing their job’ with the misuse of force they’re famous for. We need them to do their actual job, not just blindly follow orders into a series of war crimes.

            military are trained to kill, do you really want them to “do their job” in US streets?

            Yes, contingent on those streets being populated by enemies of the US like Donald Trump / members of his regime / ICE.

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            You’re sorta missing the point. Nobody is talking about having the military issuing parking tickets here.

            It’s about Trump running for office, and Congress/the courts saying “no”.

            Who does the military listen to? Do they obey Trump’s orders to enforce his will at polling places?

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      This guy gets a full body MRI (probably every year one or two). Judging by the timeline I would guess they started that as a response to Biden’s prostate cancer.

      I wouldn’t hold my breath. Any significant medical condition they’ll find months in advance. There’s a reason why ultra-rich dipshits like Murdoch are seemingly indestructible.

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        Yeah I know, unfortunately. But I’m still holding out that living as a narcissist for his entire life has put a ton of strain on his body and he’ll have a stroke or something. He’ll never admit it (obv), but he knows tons of people hate him. Just look at how he reacts to any negative attention, like the recent SOTU where he got pissy that the dems wouldn’t stand and applaud for him.

        Deep down in his lizard brain he knows he’s a piece of barely human garbage and it wears on his fatfuck old bones.

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          I wish you were right. I really do, but unfortunately, it’s really hard to understand true malignant personality level disorder narcissists like Trump. He doesn’t care because he thinks he’s the only one in the entire world or universe that exists.

          Narcissists like this, they see everyone else as a puppet whose strings are dropped when he leaves the room, waiting for him to come back where they will then reanimate. That’s how they see human beings other than themselves. They literally can’t give a shit even if they wanted to about other people. You could more ask a person who has colorblindness, and can’t see red and green, to see red and green, then you could convince a narcissist at the level of Trump to care about another human being.

          Even if it seems like he cares about someone else, it’s just that his agenda lines up with theirs. It’s always about him, always. Extreme narcissists are very predictable, they all act this way. Some people are narcissists on a much lower level. In fact, a lot of people have a smidge of narcissism, but the ones that are extreme narcissists, there’s no hope for them.

          He doesn’t think he’s human garbage because he thinks he’s the only human being that exists, therefore, he thinks everything he thinks and feels is the only thing that is right and true. Nothing else registers. He doesn’t think or care that other people hate him because he thinks he’s the only person that matters and exists. It’s hard for us who aren’t like this to understand it, but when you’ve had a parent like this, you get to know the patterns.

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            I dunno, some of that sounds more solipsistic than a narcissist. He’s trying to shovel admiration (however fake or fawning it usually is) into a bottomless daddy-shaped abyss in what passes for his soul. If he truly didn’t care what people thought he wouldn’t react with reflexive infantile petulance and anger to his critics.

            He’s barely had a conscious thought in his entire adult existence, but his subconscious knows his pain. Some people can shrug off criticism but it’s festering deep down in him somewhere that he can’t access. If he hadn’t been born with a million silver spoons up his ass he’d have been long dead already.

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          Even a stroke clot needs to form somewhere. The full body MRI would very likely pick that up months before a stroke would happen.

          Edit: Sorry to annoy you with basic medical facts for everyone downvoting my comment -_-

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          Imagine that, approximately 8.3 BILLION human beings on this planet. Of those, most of which know this waste of DNA exists, of those, I imagine the majority of which wish he and his ilk would just keel over sooner rather than later.

          Too bad “vibes” can’t be measurably sent. Guy would’ve been melted by the world’s collective ire by now.

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        seemingly indestructible.

        Then i guess they can withstand the impact of a freight train, so no harm in trying.

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          By all means. I’m not advocating for them. I can just tell you, that this is where the ultra wealthy put their money. And on an individual level the value of a full-body-MRI for prevention is quite high. There’s a small exclusive club of people who have access to these kind of things and we are not part of it

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    They apparently elect some fascist egoist and want to rule the world. How can they be so utterly narrowminded… they cannot even think about the WHOLE of human kind on this tiny ball in this split second of it’s excistance and act accordingly? Is this counrtry really that stupid? WTF is going on??? Did evolution made an error with these ppl? I am worried, dissapointed and angry about the devolution they create. We are easily 85 years back in time.