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    My sister once had a roommate who asked her what goes into a grilled cheese sandwich. She said just two pieces of bread and a slice of cheese. A few minutes later she found the roommate in the kitchen staring at a plain cheese sandwich on a plate. “Something wrong?” she asked. Roommate replied (I shit you not), “How is this supposed to melt the cheese?”

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    I was excited to take home ec, but little did I realize it was basically for people who had never been in a kitchen before. If you were a kid who had parents/grandparents who cooked and let you help out, you were miles ahead of the game.

    We made brownies. From a box. Taco salad. Forget what else but it was all box food type stuff. If you’re a kid in the US who doesn’t have a home cooking tradition Home Ec isn’t going to teach you shit.

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      Ours was just, “Here’s a video unrelated to home economics,” because it and choir were the classes you got stuck in if there wasn’t something else you could take that period (only 150 kids k-12)

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      I think my school only offered sewing. I have clue where they would have cooked, except for the cafeteria kitchen. I made a dope walrus, though.

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        My middle school had a cooking class and a sewing class, each of which we all took at different times. I saved my favorite recipe from the cooking class (a poppy seed cake) and made it a few times even after the class was over (but have since lost the recipe for.) I remember we used a pudding mix in it, which I wouldn’t have thought to do before. Meanwhile in sewing, we made letter-shaped pillows of our initials, which I really enjoyed. I ended up hand-sewing the rest of the letters of my name after the class was over to go along with it.

        The only complaint I have is that the electives for my middle school (which were mandatory, so hardly “elective”) were cooler than the electives for my high school. I remember other schools having things like metal shop and swimming. A friend from Canada had an entire booklet of electives to choose from. My school had a single sheet of options, many with stupid names that didn’t reflect what they really were. I ended up taking an interior design class because the name made it sound like it would teach practical home skills. Granted, I still enjoyed the class and learned a lot from it (and have been able to apply the knowledge, even if just when building in the Sims.) Though if the classes had descriptions that actually fit what they were teaching, I probably would’ve taken something else. There were even a few boys who had signed up for that class, just to transfer out after the first day. Like me, they thought they’d be learning how to handle home finances or something, not learning how to identify a Queen Anne era chair by the style of its legs.

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      One of my teachers took us out hunting once. Shot a hare. We were there for every part of that journey from the hunt to it being on the plate and eaten. I definitely learned a lot from that.

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      Huh, it just occurred to me that when people say “Glad school taught me the Pythagorean theorem but not real life skills like how to do my taxes”, they’re just forgetting about home ec.

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        Or they never even had it offered.

        I never had the option of taking something like that I school, but thankfully my family cooked enough that I got rather good at cooking and spicing food. I’ve actually taught my wife how to do it, and we’re in the process of trying to teach our partner how to cook now.

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        Home Ec was an elective class for me (that I didn’t take) as an alternative to Personal Health, a low-impact PE course with an emphasis on nutrition (that I also didn’t take). We did not have any other practical skills classes, like wood shop or automotive whatever. Poverty district.

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        Bold of you to assume schools even have home ec classes anymore.

        I’m pretty sure they phased those out in the late 00s to early 10s, at least in the school districts around me.

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      I helped out in the kitchen a lot, but the home ec classes I took were things that I wasn’t (yet) doing at home.

      My mom made scrambled eggs, but the way they taught me to do it in home ec resulted in much better eggs. They taught me how to make tacos, my mom didn’t know about tacos at all.

      I think the issue is that my mom really learned very little from her own mother because her own mother wasn’t much of a cook. My mom cooked every day. She had cook books. She had a few recipes handed down from relatives. But, she didn’t know what she didn’t know, which was a lot. Almost everything was overcooked and dry. She didn’t know how to taste what she was cooking and adjust things. She didn’t understand the purpose of the ingredients in the recipes she made, so she’d substitute things that completely ruined it.

      I think my home ec classes were much better than the ones you had. But, also, my mom wasn’t very good at cooking. So, home ec was really useful for me.

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        Now we have the internet: an entire world of inspiration, variation, coming with strips and perhaps a video! No more excuses

        They taught me how to make tacos

        One of the things still on my list. I grew up learning to make tacos from my mom: buy a kit with crunchy shells, a spice pack to brown ground meat with, preshredded lettuce and cheese.

        But I’ve had some amazing tacos that look nothing like those and are so much better. I’ve started exploring making real tacos with actual ingredients and with tortillas l, but there’s so much more to try and to learn even for such a simple food.

        Currently I really like the Costco family taco kit. Real ingredients, So good, so convenient, inexpensive for prepared food, and better than anything I make.

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          I recommend a trip to Mexico. The street tacos there are nothing like the hard shell tacos that are common in grocery stores.

          Just the variety of meat fillings is huge: Suadero, Barbacoa, Chorizo, Carnitas, Carne Asada…

          The tacos are also small and cheap. That means you can try a variety of different ones without filling up, and obviously without worrying about the cost. Even places in the US and Canada that sell pretty authentic tacos typically make them fairly big and fairly expensive, so you have to choose one flavour per sitting. You may get 3 tacos in an order. That same amount of filling would be spread among 10 tacos in Mexico so you can either have a small snack, or have a variety of different tacos for a full meal.

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      The most homemade thing I made in home ec in the 90s was pancakes.

      I already made pancakes at home lol

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      Makes me really sad when people can’t make a cake without a box or can’t make a basic roux or something. Really take for granted my privellege to have been exposed to basic stuff like that.

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        My first boyfriend in college taught me how to make a roux. It’s such a useful building block for all sorts of foods. We’d make leek and potato stew, generally using the fat from bacon for the roux. Highly recommend as a filling meal for college students.

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      We learned about food safety (“don’t leave stuff on the counter forever”, “raw chicken is bad for you”), how to properly hand wash dishes, how to budget for a household, and a bit about the various non-nuclear family shapes. (Yes, I learned about divorce in 6th grade. It just hadn’t come up in my life before. No mention of non-hetero couples or non-married couples because, you know, Kentucky in the 90s.) It was a broad life skills class with an emphasis on cooking. Not a clue what we cooked, but we got to use a flour sifter and that was fun.

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      to be fair, learning how to make even boxed meals is still better than nothing if you’re from a home life situation where you’ve received zero food prep knowledge

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      When I had it, we learned much more than just cooking…

      I remember they taught us how to do laundry, how to iron clothes, how to sew, how to balance a checkbook (yeah I’m old shut up), among other things.

      Very useful actually, and despite it being over 2 decades ago, I still know how to do all of it.

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    Americans/anyone who had “home economics” class: how long did you have that class for? I only had about 1.5 hours of cookery class every 2 weeks as an 11-12 year old, and while i think it was a good idea, it wasn’t where i learned abt cooking in a way that sticked. That was from my parents, and getting old enough to have autonomy over making myself food (15 yo or thereabouts).

    So home ec for me was just too short and hassled to pick up meaningful knowledge.

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        Sex ed was an elective? Huh, and here I thought schools either made it mandatory or outright forbid it. My school had us take it as a portion of phys ed class, just like we did for health class and preparing for the written driver’s test.

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          I could definitely be misremembering. I just remember not taking home ec while others were. But we had a non-optional sex ed class when I was younger, so it might have just been the year of school.

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      In 10th grade, I was put into home ec for some reason. I think i need a credit or something. I was the only boy in the class and the teacher was also the sex ed teacher. I spent 1.5 hours 3 days a week listening to things like how to insert tampons, or makeup tips and hair care, or The Pill, or whatever things the teacher felt like that day. It was an awful class that almost always devolved into an extremely loud chatty room with all the girls just girl talking. We never cooked anything. Though to be fair, the teacher did talk about things like balancing checkbooks, healthy relationship dynamics and other normal things on occasion, but very rarely.

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        That sounds like an actually helpful class, albeit billed in an inauthentic way. On the plus side, you got to see a window into the world girls and women have. Some of us are never taught about any of those things, but we’re expected to just figure it out somehow.

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          Yeah, don’t get me wrong, the class itself was ok. It just wasn’t a home ec class. It should have been called something else.

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      Back in middle school, 1hr a day for a semester. But you had to choose between home ec. and wood shop. Most people, even the girls, picked wood shop since it wasn’t much more than how to microwave & sew.

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      every year at my middle school. I think they had it split up like home ec for the first two semesters and health for the last two, or vice versa. It’s been a while, but I know we had a different main subject each year. like sixth grade was sewing and learning basic nutrition, seventh grade was basic cooking/cleaning/laundry, eighth grade a little more advanced cooking as we were trusted with more tools and techniques.

      i also took another home ec style class as a senior in high school because… easy A and free food lol

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        i also took another home ec style class as a senior in high school because… easy A and free food lol

        Just thinking about getting free food as a teenager makes me feel good inside. A lot of people at my school chose it in High School for the same reasoning as you

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          My school had a “multi-cultural day” every year where the kids taking foreign languages would bring in food from cultures that spoke them. We’d spend the period wandering through the language hallway, going classroom to classroom, eating all the free food we could handle.

          I took it a step further my senior year. I took both French and Spanish for three years, so I knew most of the language teachers by then. They’re the only classes I actually gave a damn about, so my reputation was very good among them. When the multi-cultural day was coming up, I decided to ask my language teachers if they needed help with the event.

          In exchange for helping set up and clean up each period, I got to spend the entire day out of class, trying food that every class period brought. I was even able to pull some strings and get my brother in on it, so we both got to enjoy an easy day of free food. It was amazing.

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      I think we had it for about 3 months of a single grade in middle school, maybe once a week. We rolled out a ton of cookie dough in the shape of a pizza, put candy on top and called it cookie dough pizza, then said “To hell with learning how to cook” and spent the reminder of our time back in the classroom, sewing and stuffing fuzzy little American footballs. With all of two things done, one of which just required opening packaging and squishing the dough a bit, we had nothing else lined up for the rest of the year, and never did home ec again once we left for summer vacation. At peak boredom, towards the end of the school year, it became something of a game for the boys in the class to see how much of their fuzzy football they could sew to their hands before the teacher noticed and made them undo it.

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      I didn’t get home ec, but I had a life skills class. It was about half budgeting and half cooking. And it was actually shockingly in depth, I remember we made donuts and stromboli from scratch. But, each recipe you only got one of a few roles in so the person frying the donuts didn’t learn to make the dough, etc. While the recipes were good and cheap, they weren’t really the sort of everyday meals that would have been better.

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    I was mocked for not knowing how to cook macaroni and cheese in my class.

    Blame a kid who has never had it before why don’t you.

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    Such an odd juxtaposition between recognizing the oven needed to be cleaned and not thinking of a way to prevent the mess lol.

    Hope the young chef is still in the kitchen and better than ever.

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    Now I know why every recipe includes steps like, “remove from packaging”.

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      At my work we used to sell ramen bowls, where all the ingredients were individually wrapped inside a plastic bowl and all you had to do was open everything up, put it all in the bowl, and add hot water. Well, the prep instructions never mentioned removing everything from its individual packaging, and I had a customer complain about it. He said we really need to add “remove ingredients from their packaging” at the start because his son is cooking on his own now and is too stupid to figure it out, and would try adding boiling water to the plastic wrapped ingredients.

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        Americans are why the world has warning labels like “Caution, product will be hot after removing from oven”

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    Let’s put a positive spin on this, since people in the comments are dogging on him enough.

    Guy’s 20, living on his own, clearly inexperienced in the ways of living on his own, and he had the courage to do what so many fail to: ask for help. If he keeps that going, he’ll be fine.

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      He clearly didn’t get the guidance he needed when he was younger, but he is trying and asking questions. He is on the right path.

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        He also didn’t get the guidance here. Who says “I’m tweeting this”.

        You help him, and then you tweet it privately…

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              Are you responsible for teaching all your cousins how to cook?

              The guy’s cousin asked him for help, so it’s not that bold to assume he helped him. It’s pretty clear that he hadn’t asked before, so why would the first twenty years be any indication of what happens now?

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        People like to blame men for the failure/neglect of society, parents, teachers, etc., to teach them the things they’ll need to know as an adult. Generally regarding stuff that was conventionally ascribed as “women’s duties”: cooking, cleaning, decorating, etc.

        People blame the individuals as if they’re supporting the patriarchy by not knowing the things that they were never taught. That’s missing the point, because these men were harmed by the patriarchy which neglected to teach them these important things.

        It’s really hard to enter your twenties and become moderately independent and suddenly have to learn a hundred different things that are absolutely critical to a well-ordered life, that already come so naturally to people who have been doing it their entire lives that they hardly even think about it and look down on you for not just intuitively grasping everything you need to know.

        But no, they see a young guy struggling with basic tasks like washing the bed sheets or hanging curtains or choosing a tasteful rug or not burning dinner or whatever, and they jump straight to “NOBODY IS GOING TO MOMMY YOU, GROW TF UP!!!” Because it’s sooo cool to attack a man who you find in a position of weakness because he’s struggling with tasks you deem basic.

        If we could just break that stigma and make it okay for men to ask for help, they’d be able to learn what they need to a lot easier. At least the ones who try. Clearly the ones who don’t try and have no interest in trying are the problem, so why focus the ire on the ones who do try? Asking for help kinda skylines yourself and makes you vulnerable to attack, so I’m not surprised few people do it.

        That would at least ease the transition for a generation or two until people who learn basic things as boys grow up and become men who don’t need to catch up on the things that the average 20yo woman has already been doing for over a decade…

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          Who ever said it’s not okay for men to ask for help!? I’m pretty sure that’s a personal pride thing more than a societal norm, or is at least a societal norm because so many men let pride get in the way. Small men tend to be embarrassed if they don’t know how to do something that’s perceived as simple, and don’t know how to handle that emotion so it is either dismissed or becomes a point of frustration.

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            Why do you think those men make it a point of pride not to ask for help? It’s because they’ve internalized the subtle (and not-so-subtle) messaging that they’ve received since childhood that asking for help is weakness, and weakness is bad, because you’re a man so you’re supposed to be strong and know how to do everything by yourself.

            Social norms and individual behaviors are a chicken and the egg situation. Yes, societal norms are made up of individual behaviors. However, those behaviors are also influenced by societal norms. And often, society punishes any deviation from those norms.

            It’s literally the same process that teaches women to do the things that basically all of the feminist literature ascribes to societal norms and internalized messaging. It’s the same process. So why do people always try to invalidate it whenever someone brings up the male side of that coin?

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          Also of note, some of that can just be pure crippling ADHD too,

          washing the bed sheets

          Thanks for reminding me.

          hanging curtains

          Bought 'em 2y ago and they’re still in the box in a seldom used closet, keep forgetting about them until I see them but then I’m doing something and will have to get to it later, by “later” I’ve forgotten again. I’ll get to them later…

          choosing a tasteful rug

          This one might not be ADHD I just hate shopping for things, I get in and get out.

          not burning dinner

          OH SHIT MY PIZZA!

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            Many, many years ago I did one of these. I made sure to take pictures, because at least some of the shots looked good enough to make up for the sadness of not eating it.

            My poor frozen pizza

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            The worst part about burning food is it stinks the kitchen out for days. The last time I burnt some pasta (straight up forgot about it and went to bed) I seriously started looking at buying a ozone machine. But I would 100% definitely kill myself with that so in the end I just left all the windows open for a few days.

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      He a 20 yr old loving on his own. He already beat 80% of the other kids living with their parents.

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        I knew how to use an oven at 20, so I’m guessing he it’s probably from the class that doesn’t really ever go into the kitchen.

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          I never understood what true wealth was until I went to Uni. My roommate was extremely ill equipment for life. They had never done laundry, never cooked(even a microwave), and never cleaned up after themselves. They wore clothes until the clothes smelt bad or ripped, and then throw them out. Then someone from home would send them a package with brand new clothes. They demolished their meal plan and gained a bunch of weight because they had never had to make any decisions about food before. They trashed our unit because the idea of cleaning was non existent. There is a class of people that have never done anything for themselves and are completely out of touch. Also these are the fucking people that run the government. Their parents were going to pay me $5000 for putting up with their kids shit for a year. Until you have seen this, you will never understand what the word wealthy means.

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              No, they explained to their parents “that they(the poors) don’t do stuff like that.” That is the story about how I learned who the owning class is. People just have no idea what it is like to have that much money. We have very little im common with them. If you make 500k a year, you are still part of the working class.

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      He’s probably injecting his message and destination into someone elses data transmission lmao

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        Because the fact that you’re seeing this in the first place shows something deeply wrong with how people interact these days.

        We should be free to make mistakes. Just because you had a perfectly predictable childhood doesn’t mean everyone does. If you didn’t have a perfectly predictable childhood then you need to practice some empathy.

        Guy is trying to learn. That shouldn’t get him posted for everyone to make fun of.

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          First, you don’t know anything about me, what a weird thing to say.

          Second, guy isn’t here. Guy possibly doesn’t even exist. This isn’t about guy and his needs, it’s about the needs of the people actually present. I don’t think you are seeing through your own bullshit well enough to have actual insight into, “Why?”

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        Because we should encourage people to be smart enough to realize they’re doing something dumb and ask someone to help or make sure they’re doing things correctly.

        The last thing we need in this world are more aggressively stupid people inordinately confident that they’re doing shit right while doing nothing but fucking up.

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          The one thing that is bothering me a little… Like I was on my own in college at 18. While I wasn’t really “taught” how to cook for myself I at least observed my mom and dad over 18 years cooking. I’ve seen them use baking sheets in the oven, and never just directly on the rack.

          My question is where was this guy for 20 years? Was he never in the kitchen helping set the table? Emptying the dishwasher/doing dishes while mom was making dinner? Did he just disappear at all times and thought some magic genie made food?

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        Or maybe:

        Parents, make sure your kids have some basic skills in running simple household appliances like the washer and dryer, the dishwasher, and the stove.

        And learning to cook simple things like boiled pasta or scrambled eggs or a baking pan of box-mix brownies, lays a foundation for more advanced cooking skills. When they get motivated (hungry), they will at least have the basic skills to cook up a pot of pasta with sauce, and maybe they’ll start experimenting, and learn how to cook more advanced stuff.

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    Not all ovens come with a proper grill. I know, i had to pay more for one that did when it was time to replace the family one.

    Mistakes happen.

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      No, some people are too stupid. This dude never paid a single damn attention at home, clearly, and there’s a decent chance he thinks his mom will talk forever with nothing important to say even though this kid needs weeks of intensive training on how to be a sorta functioning adult.

      Some people need to be shamed.

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          I would still help them, yes, but at that point the price they pay is getting made fun of, too.

          I’ve lived with three roommates now, all friends first and after. The first is very neat, no issues there. The second is non-binary but raised as a dude and it shows up in being a bit of a mess and lost on a lot of things, and the current is also the same but is cis and straight. At our ages, it’s just not my responsibility to constantly be delicately training men, especially as I, myself, am a privileged straight man who is at least baseline functional.

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            Well, that was an info dump I didn’t necessarily need. Anyway, if a friend or family said they were going to publicly shame me for asking a question, I wouldn’t be the cook I am today. Fortunately I was allowed to make mistakes and given opportunities to learn.

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    I once shared an apartment with a guy who just moved out of home and had literally zero life skills. One day he almost burnt down the kitchen by heating about 500ml of oil in a frypan till it was smoking and then proceeded to drop in a kilo of fully frozen chicken pieces.

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      I lived with a depressed Polish Master’s student for some time who was also a sad alcoholic. Besides some other stuff he also did what you described - and my dude was in his early 30s. Only he made an entire Chicken and fries in that oil bath.

      AND HE NEVER CLEANED IT UP. The fries and the oils literally sat in the oven for weeks over the summer and we ultimately had to just throw the tray out and buy a new one.

      Wild times.